I am a very picky reader, and I rarely say this, but this is an exceptionally well written piece. The pacing, the wording, the sense of atmosphere, and what to say when are just incredibly well done. This is what writers should aspire to. Also, great hook (we are all animals at night).
We are all animals at night
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#202Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is how I feel coming from the trades into the offices, my colleagues are often surprised when I say the work we do is easy.
I mean, if this was true, then why do office workers generally earn more?
Office workers earn more because they do jobs more similar to the jobs of those who allocate money.
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#203Earlier quoted context omitted.
I did not read it that way and I think that she would have phrased it differently if so. “an industry where women get to call the shots” she would have said “would get” imo if your interpretation was correct, just as you use ‘would’ in your comment. I took her to be describing sex work in the present, not some hypothetical future sex work. Here is the excerpt for those who want to judge for themselves: ‘Unlike sex wo…
Women can call more of the shots in places where it is legal like Nevada or other countries. Not saying it's a perfect system but the alterntive so far has been a trade that is controlled by criminals, bad customers, and law enforcement.
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#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
No disrespect, but I am not sure if casinos are in the business of helping mankind. Therefore, it is not only the casino clients that behave badly. The fact that money changes hands means nothing.
Humans have some deeply self-destructive tendencies. It's not just a predator/prey or an oppressor/oppressed relationship. I'm not sure that if we ban all outlets for self-destructive behavior that something good will come of it. Offering some amount of consentual self-destruction is absolutely in the business of helping mankind, in my opinion.
These are extremely toxic and antisocial industries and they make society much worse off.
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Have men been told they're entitled to sex and attention for free tho? I kinda feel it's the exact opposite. Men are told they need to pay for meals, rooms, travel, and housing and custody later. Men are told they should be the proactive side and take the risk of being rejected. I'd even say (at least in TV shows and movies) men are expected to be the funny ones and provide entertaining values in a relationship. I'm…
> Have men been told they're entitled to sex and attention for free tho? I kinda feel it's the exact opposite. Men are told they need to pay for meals, rooms, travel, and housing and custody later. Men are told they should be the proactive side and take the risk of being rejected. I'd even say (at least in TV shows and movies) men are expected to be the funny ones and provide entertaining values in a relationship. Do…
Men are taught that their work is valuable but they are not; they feel entitled after putting in work, even if it's work that nobody asked for, like going to the gym a lot or chatting up strangers at bus stops. No, they're not actually entitled to sex and attention, but the entire problem is that men feel like they paid and should therefore receive. "Free" is a complete reversal of the thought process of the entitled man.
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#206Earlier quoted context omitted.
Humans have some deeply self-destructive tendencies. It's not just a predator/prey or an oppressor/oppressed relationship. I'm not sure that if we ban all outlets for self-destructive behavior that something good will come of it. Offering some amount of consentual self-destruction is absolutely in the business of helping mankind, in my opinion.
Humans evolved over millions of years in an environment without casinos, addictive drugs, fast food, or any of this other stuff surrounding us in modernity. The fact that a bunch of these things hack into people’s natural blind spots is not evidence of “self-destructive tendencies.” These are exploits of people’s psychology, every bit as bad as fraud, but run by powerful, politically entrenched people. These are extr…
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#208This article is too left-wing echochamber for my tastes. Of the form - it can be done, and no-one literally dies, therefore it may be done. People don't work to marginalize prostitution because it's "the only field in which women outearn men". People work to marginalize prostitution because it's fundamentally morally bankrupt. Most well adjusted people eventually realise that casual sex is not the key to happiness in…
Because the author of this article shows no sign of either, but neither do many of the commenters in this thread who only look at the symptom: "look kids, the stream of consciousness of a not particularly insightful person is being highlighted in the media because it serves a certain political agenda."
The agenda performed in the article is, incidentally, the usual crypto-conservative pablum that gives the "left-wing echo chamber" its structural foundations, to be spiced up with AI drivel as the technology matures. The general form of the argument being made between the pixels is: "see how dumb and sad this person is - we need to protect ourselves from becoming dumb and sad, by punishing others for having ended up dumb and sad."
And here's the catch. Punishment makes people dumber and sadder. What makes people less dumb and less sad is... intimacy. Which the article and ensuing discussing seems to be at least partially about.
The author has evidenly lacked true human connection before, during, and after their sex work career, only finding it with other lost souls in the nightmarish desert of cities at night. Now she is briefly basking in the parasocial light of having her inner world exposed on The Media. (Aren't we all?)
>People work to marginalize prostitution because it's fundamentally morally bankrupt.
People really love throwing around the "fundamentallies" and the "radicallies", but what is the foundation, or the root, of the issue here? What's morally bankrupt here is that we live in such a way that results in the emergence of a black market for loving touch.
To satisfy one's need for intimacy through "official channels", one is expected to participate in a costly and complicated social ritual with no guarantee of success. Imagine if buying food or renting a place involved pathological emotional enmeshment, and was prone to leave you with your humanity degraded ("heartbroken").
You are just as wrong as the author. The fundamental reason people work to marginalize prostitution is to maintain the profit margins of intimacy arbitrage. Men marginalize prostitution not out of the desire for control that feminists love to project upon them, but as a way of rationalizing sunk costs; and "decent" women marginalize prostitution purely as an anti-competitive measure, for the labor of being a decent human being is twice as arduous should you be identified as a woman.
P.S. Protip: it's completely possible to have sex without emotional attachment. What trips people up is that participants must decide upon that from the start, and should never offer or request said emotional attachment for the duration of the encounter(s).
Unfortunately, we are animals most of the time. Starved ones. Should the bait be proferred, it is likely to be taken - automatically, against participants' better judgements. Beware.
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#209Earlier quoted context omitted.
I mean, if this was true, then why do office workers generally earn more?
Position in the production hierarchy. Consider a person that carves bespoke wooden figurines. Their job takes considerable skill, even talent. But it takes then X hours to make Y figurines. Time in, widgets out, completely proportional. Now imagine a person that configures a robot to carve crappy mass produced figurines. Their work is differently skilled, but perhaps less so. The product isn't as good. Yet they put i…
I guess you could make the case that their primary skill - reading the story that the people who promoted them wanted/needed to hear - is in fact what's being rewarded, but it has nothing to do with their applicability to high leverage work at all.
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#210> I felt little of the camaraderie I once did while working night shifts. I’m unsure why I felt this dissonance, and it occurs to me now that it could have been more self-imposed than anything. I doubt it. I've worked days and nights at different times in the same place, at a couple of jobs in different parts of the country. There's a real difference between what people are like in the daytime and nighttime worlds, a…