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Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Yes, they had it for a few years a decade ago. If you think through the feature, it's not at all obvious that it's a good idea for an established search engine targeting the general public [0]. But even then it might be a great idea for a search engine that's trying to establish an initial niche. It doesn't even matter whether the idea actually works well in practice: if 100k people think that manual curation of sear…

I think you miss he point. The usefulness of a per-user block list is not fighting outright spam. The statistical filters, etc, as applied by the search engine, work best here, as you correctly state. The point is to remove certain well-known sites with information about well-known topics, which is unhelpful for the particular user , me. That information is technically not spam, but it's on a wrong level, badly prese…

> That information is technically not spam, but it's on a wrong level, badly presented, etc.

I'd count that kind of low quality site as spam, and the problem is that there's a basically an infinite supply of them. The boost feature is more interesting in that the curation is at least not a never-ending task. New high quality sites that I know about don't pop up all that often!

It's still not an entirely robust feature since you'll need to do a lot of quality work to prevent mediocre results from a boosted site from shadowing better results from unboosted sites, especially for users with a ton of boosts. But that quality work is much easier to justify when the manual curation is one of your core selling points and used by a large proportion of the customers vs. when it's a feature in a dusty context menu that basically none of the userbase interacts with.

> Maybe 90% of users would ignore this feature. But the 10% of power users maybe disproportionately important

I'd be shocked if the number of users for this kind of feature was anywhere near 10% of all search engine users. Something like 0.1% seems much more likely. But again, if those 0.1% really want that feature it's a great fit for a power user search engine.

It still doesn't mean that it's a feature every search engine should obviously have.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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This feature is Kagi's single best innovation in search. It's what makes their results so much better than Google's: where Google's results are usually drowning in garbage websites, Kagi comes built-in with a great set of spam filters, and on top of that you can adapt your own personal list of good and bad domains as you go!

Didn't Google have this feature like two decades ago (blocks, at least)? It's not quite a search innovation, more like a "caring about your users as a business strategy" innovation.

when google first came out it had nothing to do with that, it was that they offered as strong algorithmic ranking in the feed. Before that the search providers ran in a few ways (by my memory):

1. Sell the first few results but make it look organic (this all happened behind closed doors and I knew a few people who paid for such results)

2. Hierarchical/topic based collections of links (This is what Yahoo was famous for in the 90s if I remember correctly, I'll keep saying that because it was a long time ago!)

The whole "google cares about you" was an outcropping of the organic flocking to google because of their reliable and algorithmic results that just seemed trustworthy, they capitalized on that and it honestly lasted a lot longer than I expected before they really started being evil.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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The top-ranked sources really show Kagi's current demographic. It obviously is attractive to programmers and IT professionals. I wonder if they are interested in attracting users with more diverse searching requirements, and if so, how they would be able to actually reach them.

> It obviously is attractive to programmers and IT professionals. I would say this is a blessing as it allows us to focus on things that matter to tech-savvy users (Kagi founder here). > I wonder if they are interested in attracting users with more diverse searching requirements, Yes, we are :) > if so, how they would be able to actually reach them Through our family plan [1], most likely. This is how I got my family…

The work you all are doing is incredible. Thank you, and I’ll be a paying customer as long as you keep the show going. I’m notoriously stingy about paying subscriptions for tech services, but the money I pay for Kagi directly impacts my productivity. It feels like a distant nightmare when I think back about the days when I spent time sitting through blogspam results on Google :p

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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The top-ranked sources really show Kagi's current demographic. It obviously is attractive to programmers and IT professionals. I wonder if they are interested in attracting users with more diverse searching requirements, and if so, how they would be able to actually reach them.

> It obviously is attractive to programmers and IT professionals. I would say this is a blessing as it allows us to focus on things that matter to tech-savvy users (Kagi founder here). > I wonder if they are interested in attracting users with more diverse searching requirements, Yes, we are :) > if so, how they would be able to actually reach them Through our family plan [1], most likely. This is how I got my family…

Hi. Thanks for the great service!

Any chance you would consider adding cryptocurrency payments as an option? You would load up the account with these prepaid credits, and then use whatever plan you want until the credits run out. This is how I pay for Mullvad and works well for me.

I think would be nice as I see kagi is aiming to be privacy-forward. And it’s nice knowing that such a payment is a one-off and won’t forever keep renewing.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Pinterest was certainly the first site I blocked. I've never understood the hate for w3schools. No, it's not MDN, but it's not offensively bad either, and it's been a helpful reference from time to time. If w3schools comes up first in a search, I trust that it probably has the answer to whatever very simple question I must have asked, unlike something like Pinterest, which will just be spam no matter what.

I never knew W3Schools had such a bad reputation. I learned HTML from that site almost a decade ago and found it pretty helpful.

I loved their Try it Online!

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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I should give it another try. I believe the last time I tried it, I was frustrated because of the private browsing login issue. Maybe one day (probably not) Apple will allow setting a simple URL for custom search engines. Orion needs a lot of polish, but I am hopeful they will get there.

You can generate a Kagi login link with a token and save that to your favourites. Then, click that link in the new private tab window before searching.

The Kagi Search app/extension linked above can persist your session link in its settings and thus works in private mode or after clearing all cookies.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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I love that they also provide, in the same page, the option to update your own configuration. Easy pre-emptive blocking/boosting :)

Yes, that forward-thinking UI design immediately stuck me, and reminded me again why I am a loyal customer.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Kagi doesn't charge you for bangs. (Disclaimer: Happy paying Kagi user here, just FYI)

Oh really? I just commented about how this misconception made me change my behavior. Wish that was more clear, or that I had higher reading comprehension.

yeah since it’s not actually doing a search and is just making a redirect based on the pattern it doesn’t have a cost associated with it.

more info: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/getting-started/faqs.html#how-are...

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Pinterest was certainly the first site I blocked. I've never understood the hate for w3schools. No, it's not MDN, but it's not offensively bad either, and it's been a helpful reference from time to time. If w3schools comes up first in a search, I trust that it probably has the answer to whatever very simple question I must have asked, unlike something like Pinterest, which will just be spam no matter what.

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