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Texas A&M suspended professor accused of criticizing Lt. Gov. Patrick in lecture

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I've read the injunction. It's not very good. It's since been stayed; https://www.politico.com/news/2023/07/14/social-media-injunc... .

Yes, it's an administrative stay pending full review which is standard process in cases like this, the stay wasn't issued based on the merits.

Nor was the injunction. No one's had their proper day in court on this yet.

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Thanks for the link. This is certainly a different bill, and not the one that has been recently passed. As such, it indeed looks quite ridiculous and reaching too far and basically makes Supreme Court completely powerless - because the government controls 61 votes by default, otherwise it falls. But it is not passed yet. If it does pass, then there's a reason to worry that the judicial review has been seriously impac…

> Thanks for the link. This is certainly a different bill, and not the one that has been recently passed. As such, it indeed looks quite ridiculous and reaching too far and basically makes Supreme Court completely powerless - because the government controls 61 votes by default, otherwise it falls Even supposing that law passes, how would it make Israel any different from the UK or New Zealand, in both of which almost…

The "death of democracy" criticism is strange because the functions of judicial review, enshrined civil rights, and (where applicable) a written constitution exist for the purpose of making a country less democratic. In an absolute democracy the people can change any rule they want whenever they want.

If there is a criticism of the UK, New Zealand, and now (if this additional law were to pass) Israel, it would be that they're overly democratic. Though based on what I've read the current Israeli Supreme Court does go too far in the other direction since it has no written constitution to work from and is basically winging it.

At the risk of going off topic I do find it weird that the Americans who are terribly worried about the Israeli Supreme Court being made more accountable to the people are mostly the same Americans determined to do something similar to the American one (and the U.S. Senate).

Re: Texas A&M suspended professor accused of criticizing Lt. Gov. Patrick in lecture

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How weirdly fragile and vindictive do you have to be to initiate a formal complaint against a guest lecturer for making an observation about public policy you think is off-base? How lame do you have to be to even know how to do that, and to do it so fast that the lecturer heard about it when she got home?

That's A&M for ya, tho.

Parent got downvoted but speaking as an Aggie it's not totally wrong. This is hardly the university's first free speech controversy and doesn't seem likely to be the last. It's a bipartisan mess too - Chancellor John Sharp is a prominent Democrat.

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/02/11/texas-am-battalion-n...

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Texas's attorney general has had been both state, and federally indicted for fraud for the past 8 years, and has successfully stalled the case, on the basis[1] that as long as he's a Republican politician, he can't get a fair trial. He's only been impeached for it this year . There is no oversight to be had in that kind of single-party state. If you're wondering about what the end game of that sort of thing looks lik…

How does a /state/ prosecutor have the ability to interfere with the prosecutorial budgets for a /federal/ indictment?

The FBI is investigating him but no federal charges have ever been filed. The state situation is also a bit more complicated than the grandparent suggests. There have been both jurisdictional struggles and a county government refusing to pay sizable fees for outside special prosecutors (not state prosecutors).

The guy belongs in prison but is not just refusing to be prosecuted, nor does he have the ability to do so.

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"Anti-racist rhetoric" is a very recent ideological phenomenon that is not yet proven to be effective solution for past and present racial injustice. It is possible for it to be flawed, prone to be implemented badly, or self-defeating and thus worthy of critique without being fired from academia (as in parent comment's example of California, or in Bret Weinstein's case). It is also commonly defended and advanced by p…

>"that is not yet proven to be effective solution for past and present racial injustice"

What is this even supposed to mean? We can't be "not racist" unless its proven (by what means?) that its effective in remedying (how is this judged?) past racism?

This is a platitude thats orders of magnitude greater than that which you are attempting to criticize.

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Seems pretty clear from the article that the expectations for professors was that they had to adhere, not to a general "don't be racist" code of conduct, but instead to a specific ideologies ("that reflect DEIA and anti-racist principles"). I think it is reasonable to describe those ideologies as "progressive" (at least in the sense that they are promoted and promulgated almost exclusively by people who would describ…

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Re: Texas A&M suspended professor accused of criticizing Lt. Gov. Patrick in lecture

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> I don’t understand this heated rhetoric claiming it is the “death of Israeli democracy”-to be consistent, people who claim that would also have to say that the UK and New Zealand are not democracies I'm not trying to be harsh but it's weird how frequently this (badly offtopic) subthread has been speculative, when there are plenty of Israeli newspapers wherein the reasons for the rift in Israel are discussed to the…

It is true that Israeli newspapers - and non-Israeli ones - discuss it at length, and it is also true that the current crisis is a successor and the consequence of many historical developments and controversies, taking root before the state has been even established. This is exactly why one familiar with the history and the background of the question learns to take claims like “death of Israeli democracy” with a big…

Are you an Israeli?

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> And Sharp was communicating directly with the lieutenant governor’s office about the incident, promising swift action. In Texas, what entities have oversight over potential abuses of power by the Lt. Governor's office, the Texas A&M system Chancellor, and the Texas Land Commissioner? Are they credible? I'm not going to jump to conclusions, but am wondering whether this credible-looking journalism will prompt govern…

To answer your question, the Texas Rangers have a Public Corruption Unit. The unit is relatively new (replacing a unit that used to be run out of the Travis County D.A.'s office, which Republicans objected to, because Travis County is Austin and run by Democrats). The Rangers would investigate and hand over to the D.A. in whatever county has jurisdiction (which is sometimes contested).

Results will have to be seen but I don't know that anyone really questions the general integrity or competence of the Rangers.

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Not sure what you mean by this - regardless of whether you agree with antiracism or progressivism- if you take them at face value, ie “progressivism” = reforming society to improve the average human condition, and “antiracism” = reforming society to be less racist, they seem fairly aligned, no? Also I suspect that the venn diagram of politicians who self-identify as anti-racist, vs politicians who self-identify as pr…

It's pretty clear that what the person you are quoting to is referring to "progressive" as an action stemming from the political group colloquially referred to as "progressive" which is objectively distinct from the concept of progress and there is no reason why you need to pretend to be this obtuse!

Re: Texas A&M suspended professor accused of criticizing Lt. Gov. Patrick in lecture

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The owners of social networks have free speech rights too. They can take others suggestions as to who and what to block and decide for themselves. The constitutional law is settled on this question. I wouldn’t be so quick to infringe that.

"Suggestions". Right. Regular meetings and demands from the government to shut down speech is just mere "suggestions". How stupid you think your target audience is?

It's one thing to politely disagree with others, and it's another to pretend like they are "targeting an audience". Your comment is rude, disingenuous, and doesn't further reasonable discourse and a rethink of your approach would be wise for the benefit of the community.
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