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Re: Fly.io Postgres cluster down for 3 days, no word from them about it

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Post by NewJazz »

xupybd wrote: post #165
tinco wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try filing a bug with any of the big three cloud vendors when you're on their free plan. It's really not different, the thing that is going to get you fired is not realizing you're not paying a couple hundred bucks per month for premium service on the infrastructure that is mission critical to your company.

Funny story, when I started my current role I researched our hosting provider. I couldn't find the matching invoices in the accounting system. So I called the vendor, a local company. They'd not set our account up correctly, billing was not enabled. Since then we've been billed. I'm glad we sorted it but it wasn't a good look to start my role by increasing our spending.

My neighbor once had a gardener who delivered no bill. For years! Then out of the blue, $4k invoice.

Trust me, you did the business a favor.

Re: Fly.io Postgres cluster down for 3 days, no word from them about it

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Post by jumploops »

aledalgrande wrote: post #173
q7xvh97o2pDhNrh wrote: post #94

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I admit I didn't run the numbers before posting that. But you got me curious, so I went ahead and did it now... Render.com looks like [1] their "$0 + compute costs" plan would work out to: ∙ $25/mo for a single "Web Services" box of 1 CPU and 2GB RAM ∙ $20/mo for a single "PostgreSQL" box of 1 GB RAM, 1 CPU, and 16GB SSD ∙ TOTAL: $45/mo, and you're assuming they'll magically give you zero-downtime Those are grim numb…

Thanks for the analysis. I think you're still underestimating costs (e.g. didn't count bandwith, no AZ standby for your database, or backups etc.) and time spent, not only in the setup but especially in maintenance (security fixes, AWS agent updates, OS updates, package updates, figuring out why an instance ran out of disk etc. etc.) Not counting you have to setup and maintain your deployment system which can range f…

Spun up a new project and was debating between AWS and Render.

I’ve been burned one too many times by ElasticBeanstalk so I bit the bullet and went with Render… and had everything plus PR deploys working in under an hour. Very happy so far.

Re: Fly.io Postgres cluster down for 3 days, no word from them about it

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Post by throwaway220033 »

jim180 wrote: post #196
throwaway220033 wrote: post #179

For people looking for alternatives, what are some suggestions? Is MRSK with Hetzner good? AWS is way too expensive and complex nowadays. I can’t stand the amount of terminology they invented just to deploy a website and database.

I'm using mrsk + DO instances (DB is running on managed instance within DO) on my side project, which is Django. I'm very happy about everything. No complexity, easy to deploy and setup.

How do you compare DO to Hetzner?

Re: Fly.io Postgres cluster down for 3 days, no word from them about it

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Post by sho »

michaeldwan wrote: post #163
throwawayfly wrote: post #131

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Ok as long as we’re getting conspiratorial, something similar I observed has bugged me. About a year ago fly awarded a few people in the forums, I think it was 3, the “aeronaut” badge. Basically just pointless bling for a “routinely very helpful” person or somesuch. Still, I can imagine it was cool to get it. No, it wasn’t me. One person I saw with it absolutely deserved it: this person is, to this day, always hoppin…

Get out of here with this nonsense. We tell people when we’re a bad option all the time. Do you really think we have a desire (or time) to punish somebody for doing the same? Also, here’s the long forgotten badge, still with 3 people… https://community.fly.io/badges/107/aeronaut

> Do you really think we have a desire (or time) to punish somebody for doing the same?

idk man, there's these awfully convenient disappearing forum threads too. The benefit of the doubt is starting to expire.

I see you're a co-founder, so presumably you have some sway on priorities and skin in the game. I think you should take the reputational damage you're accruing here much more seriously than you apparently are. A few more incidents like this and it won't just be you telling people you're a bad option.

* edited to tone down the forum thread disappearance angle. FWIW I do believe that it likely wasn't deliberate. My main point was that these things add up and "of course we wouldn't do that!" starts to ring a little hollow the 10th time you hear it...

Re: Fly.io Postgres cluster down for 3 days, no word from them about it

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Post by inferiorhuman »

sethherr wrote: post #102
NBJack wrote: post #97

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Another good reason to avoid that platform like the plague.

What are the other good reasons? All my experiences with Discourse have been great.

The interface itself?

For instance one of those things I've noticed is that most Discourse instances have those nag banners if you're not logged in begging you to log in – and that's one of the least objectionable things they do IMO. I discovered recently that Discourse also blacklists all but the most recent browsers (because Discourse is designed for the next ten years!) and serves up a plain text version on anything older… but not without a nag banner of its own admonishing you for not using a supported browser.

The infinite scrolling… ugh. I'm not a huge fan of XenForo, but as a successor to vBulletin it seems to be far more user friendly.

Re: Fly.io Postgres cluster down for 3 days, no word from them about it

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Post by p-e-w »

sho wrote: post #204
michaeldwan wrote: post #163

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Get out of here with this nonsense. We tell people when we’re a bad option all the time. Do you really think we have a desire (or time) to punish somebody for doing the same? Also, here’s the long forgotten badge, still with 3 people… https://community.fly.io/badges/107/aeronaut

> Do you really think we have a desire (or time) to punish somebody for doing the same? idk man, there's these awfully convenient disappearing forum threads too. The benefit of the doubt is starting to expire. I see you're a co-founder, so presumably you have some sway on priorities and skin in the game. I think you should take the reputational damage you're accruing here much more seriously than you apparently are.…

> you've just been caught hiding inconvenient forum threads too

FWIW, I do believe them when they say this wasn't intentional. Considering how the Internet operates, they would be incredibly stupid to do something like that on purpose.

That being said, the way the entire affair was handled certainly leaves a lot to be desired.

Re: Fly.io Postgres cluster down for 3 days, no word from them about it

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Post by mewmew07 »

5e92cb50239222b wrote: post #195
bongobingo1 wrote: post #25

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Seems like the OP should have made a HN thread in the first place instead of posting to community.stri^H^H^H^Hfly.io

> ^H^H^H^H alt+backspace will wipe that substring in most shells in one go.

it would loose the comic appeal though

Re: Fly.io Postgres cluster down for 3 days, no word from them about it

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Post by toyg »

vasco wrote: post #130
buro9 wrote: post #121

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This is why companies should not run their own forums. It's cheap support and marketing, it's not really community.

I never thought to make friends with people who's only common thing with me is that they shop at the same place. Companies creating a "community" is exactly as you described.

I am an interested party in the process space, and I think that's ungenerous. When you work with a complex tool every day, and you have to find solutions for this or that issue, develop strategies for this or that business case, etc etc, you're not really shopping - it's more like you're in the trenches. At that point, finding people who have the same issues and talking shop with them, can be great for both knowledge exchange and camaraderie. Linux wouldn't be what it is today without the LUGs era, for example.

Re: Fly.io Postgres cluster down for 3 days, no word from them about it

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Post by inferiorhuman »

reustle wrote: post #19
aledalgrande wrote: post #9

Wondering if for small/bootstrapped projects there's any alternative people suggest? Fly has a nice UX and accessible prices, but it's unstable at best. I use the big clouds at work, but for personal they are $$$. Also I want to keep devops tending asymptotically to zero.

I’m quite happy with https://render.com after leaving Heroku

I've never actually used Render, but did interview with them last year. I faceplanted at the end and didn't get an offer, but… hands down Render ran one of the best interviews I've ever participated in. Communication was on point, the process itself was well organized, and even though I disagreed with a couple of engineering choices, there was a distinct lack of bullshit.

If that carries over to their customer facing folks and how Render as a team has executed since then I'd absolutely recommend taking a look at them.

Re: Fly.io Postgres cluster down for 3 days, no word from them about it

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Post by sho »

jayzalowitz wrote: post #86

For those of you with postgres apps, you can avoid this pretty much universally with cockroach db (they have a serverless version they host) It takes basically no work moving from postgres, even postgres dump works.

CockroachDB gets real expensive real quick if you want to use any of the cool functionality though. The free version is OK for a cluster in very short range of each other, for example the same DC, but if you spread things out you'll need the enterprise features (follower reads, at minimum) to keep any kind of reasonable performance.

Self hosted enterprise "starts" (!) at $100/vCPU per month. So, yeah. Not exactly the hobbyist's choice.

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