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AI and the Automation of Work

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Re: AI and the Automation of Work

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„more technologies usually would not mean less work, but a higher expectation on the laborer.“

This is a S.E. Eisterer (assistant professor at Princeton) talking about the earth shattering innovation that was…. the Frankfurt kitchen. [0]

[0] https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/the-frankfurt-kitchen...

Seems fitting.

I truly believe demand will simply increase to match what can be achieved with AI.

Re: AI and the Automation of Work

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From what I can remember, it's an everyday occurrence in various european cities to see police armed with machine guns. The first time I saw it it was very surprising and I wondered what was going on. Definitely not a uniquely american thing.

Indeed, but the UK in particular is one of the few places where police aren't routinely armed, and yet my aforementioned experience in some of the London airports…

The reason is that we have very few armed police and not that many police and you often (comparatively) want police with arms at an airport, so suddenly the only police at airports are the armed ones and they have the most lethal kit.

The dispatch time for armed police has gone up because they are doing a regular police job, while armed, rather than waiting for the call up.

Re: AI and the Automation of Work

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Machine guns are in a lot of airports these days, in Europe as well. It is assuredly not strange anymore (though it does come across as hostile and extremely unsafe).

My experience it’s far more common to see them in airports outside the US. Shortly after 9/11 it was pretty common to see heavily armed guards in the US because there was an overt military presence at that time. What I see now is occasional police officers with their standard sidearms, but rarely see anyone more armed than that.

AIUI, the difference in training is not that much in the UK between sidearms and machine guns, so anyone who is certified on one probably also has the other.

Whereas in the US, every cop is armed but there's more checks on the more strict stuff.

Your airport police want to be armed but there's no need for them to be heavily armed. So in the UK they all are, because it's the same people. In the US the heavily armed folk are deployed elsewhere (SWATing someone's Twitch stream if the media tells me the truth...)

Re: AI and the Automation of Work

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Founder of Phind here. Hearing something like this really touches me and the team and this is exactly why we do what we do.

How on earth are you affording the OpenAI API fees?

Starts with V and rhymes with sea.

Re: AI and the Automation of Work

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I had bought into the GPT-4 hype. I used GPT-4 on ChatGPT Plus for two months, but then I unsubscribed because I wasn't using it as much as I thought I would. It's certainly a very interesting technology. But in it's current form, I just don't see it replacing most jobs. Will it replace jobs if we scale further? I don't know, but my intuition says no. I feel that we will need some other major breakthroughs in AI to g…

The combination of ChatGPT and Phind helped me, a noob with 8 months of coding knowledge, build an app with real paying users and revenue. I would have never accomplished this on my own, and now I have a working prototype to find co-founders and possible investors.

noob with 8 months of coding knowledge? That's why you have posts like:

My year in tech regrets ([insertyouwebsitehere].com) 7 points by spaceman_2020 on Jan 15, 2014 | past | 3 comments

Re: AI and the Automation of Work

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> But if it becomes cheaper to use a machine to make, say, a pair of shoes, then the shoes are cheaper, more people can buy shoes and they have more money to spend on other things besides, and we discover new things we need or want, and new jobs. This sounds really similar to trickle down economics.

The claim of "trickle down" was that giving money to rich people, specifically, would somehow have the same effect as making the average household better off.

It turns out that rich people buy things that don't employ many people, and they buy them from other rich people: high-priced art works, famous jewellery, and other collectibles, existing mansions or apartments at exclusive addresses, and so on. So the prices of those things go up, but no-one else has any more money.

Re: AI and the Automation of Work

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I think everyone should have a test in their back pocket for testing claims made by companies making AI tools. Mine is backtracking sudoku solver with constraint propagation but that's because I know LLMs are incapable of recursion and backtracking. Usually people get the point I'm making but sometimes I have to elaborate further. LLMs are cool toys but calling them intelligent is stretching the definition of "intell…

Any test a lot of humans will fail is simply not a test of General Intelligence. That should be obvious enough. And GPT-4 does do this in a couple iterations.

Humans are not generally intelligent.

Re: AI and the Automation of Work

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I agree that engineers will likely be fine (if at all decent). But there are many more jobs done on computers that are fairly routine which are the ones that will be threatened. > An AI currently isn't even capable of doing excel business analysis without the data being checked. This check has to be done by an analyst as well. It cannot even do book keeping without errors and the work to check for errors surpasses do…

> Here I think you are thinking about this wrong. AI is going to be built directly into Excel so I think it will harm a lot of especially entry level type work for analysts. I think AI will probably eliminate almost all future knowledge worker jobs through simple attrition. In 20 years, perhaps 1 human knowledge worker will be doing the work of 100 (measured by todays productivity) augmented by integrated AI in the t…

"I think AI will probably eliminate almost all future knowledge worker jobs through simple attrition. In 20 years, perhaps 1 human knowledge worker will be doing the work of 100 (measured by todays productivity) augmented by integrated AI in the tools they use."

Lump of labour fallacy?

Re: AI and the Automation of Work

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>> It's the last job you want to automate with "AI". Have you been at the Charles de Gaulle Airport in France? The security people there look like paratroopers[^1]. It's terrifying, and it's a reason I avoid that particular airport every time I fly. It sends the message "Paris is an unsafe place to be, we are very paranoid, blame the others, don't come here." The machine guns have no business among civilians, being w…

I actually feel quite safe knowing that someone with more rigorous military training than police training, and with more familiarity with their service weapon, is ready to act in case of a bomb, knife or vehicle attack.

I think you're over-estimating the quality of military firearms training and under-estimating how soldiers and marines are trained for war rather than policing.

Friendly-fire military incidents are common; while it's associated with inexperienced troops, the reality is that experienced and "elite" troops still have many friendly-fire incidents. And then there are all the civilians that are killed as collateral damage.

Re: AI and the Automation of Work

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It's not ChatGPT what we should be putting in our forecasts, but its successors. And, from what I have been reading, our AI folk are coming with better performers all the time by chaining multiple neural networks, "making modular brains", so to speak. Any argument that starts by saying "ChatGPT is very bad at X, humans will always do X," is flawed IMO. So I think that any job that can be done by a non-human is up for…

"A security guard at an airport can be a a machine gun on wheels" - are you serious? That is a job which is 99.99% about understanding human intentions in confusing and ambiguous situations, and where making a mistake will literally kill people. It's the last job you want to automate with "AI".

They literally made a movie about this in the 80's called Robocop.
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