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A new study looks at how exercise can help alleviate anxiety and depression

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Re: A new study looks at how exercise can help alleviate anxiety and depression

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I walk to the store when it's reasonable. I wasn't top tier at it, but the most exercise I could tolerate was playing DDR, because there was a game to it that isn't just physical activity. These kinds of articles are always annoying because it invites a certain kind of person who will gush unendingly about how great exerting yourself is. For me, exerting myself sucks, it is only something I want to do when it's attac…

What is the definition of “you”? If I may ask. if your identity is mostly mental, I can see why any bodily exertion might seem less “you”. This is coming from someone who was in his head a lot. Most people don’t even realize it that they are.

Re: A new study looks at how exercise can help alleviate anxiety and depression

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I walk to the store when it's reasonable. I wasn't top tier at it, but the most exercise I could tolerate was playing DDR, because there was a game to it that isn't just physical activity. These kinds of articles are always annoying because it invites a certain kind of person who will gush unendingly about how great exerting yourself is. For me, exerting myself sucks, it is only something I want to do when it's attac…

I'm not in your camp, but I get where you're coming from. I used to be marginally active, trying to get a run in every now and then, but it sucked almost every time. I pushed and pushed and it still was terrible. Then I found sports / activities that I really liked. Hiking in nature, squash, rock climbing. The latter two feel more like games / puzzle to me, and while I am confronted with exertion, I get totally lost in the moment when doing them. I still run, it's still grueling, but I do it to be better at the things I love doing, which motivates me.

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It’s a bit cliche at this point thanks to people like Joe Rogan, but Jiu Jitsu is, imo, the best possible form of exercise. It’s not only physically exhausting, it’s also mentally very difficult. And not just because it requires deep levels of knowledge to be good, but it also resets any preconceived notions of strength. It’s not uncommon for a new white belt male that weighs 200lbs to get absolutely waxed by a 100lb…

I kind of detest the sweaty grappling part of it all. It's what turned me off of Krav Maga and MMA. Personally I prefer exercising in solitude, so long distance running and weight lifting.

Re: A new study looks at how exercise can help alleviate anxiety and depression

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I walk to the store when it's reasonable. I wasn't top tier at it, but the most exercise I could tolerate was playing DDR, because there was a game to it that isn't just physical activity. These kinds of articles are always annoying because it invites a certain kind of person who will gush unendingly about how great exerting yourself is. For me, exerting myself sucks, it is only something I want to do when it's attac…

Exercise is great for everyone including yourself. It's up to you to exercise. Don't complain when people list the benefits of exercise.

Re: A new study looks at how exercise can help alleviate anxiety and depression

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing that made me transition from a mindset of “I have a body” to “I am a body”, was actually Zen meditation. This was surprising to me. Before I tried it, I thought of meditation as a purely mental thing, I didn’t expect that the first really noticeable effect of regular meditation would be a changed relationship to my body, Much later I discovered contemporary dance, quit my phd in machine learning and became…

That sounds like a fascinating journey that I'd love to read; have you written anything about it? I'm a born-and-raised software engineer (read: meat mecha mindset), but I recently became interested in dance when I moved to Brazil as many people there have this unconscious connection with dance and their body that I envy. In my case, I'm dimly aware of that non-verbal channel you mentioned, but I struggle to comminic…

A great thing is when you can mobilize your vulnerability and akwardness to some degree. What’s important if you may decide to say something like dance is to find a community and teachers who are supportive and in a way able to vulnerable as well. So choose “wisely” in that regard.

I did a lot of teaching of yoga and my primary responsibility was giving people space to be that.

Re: A new study looks at how exercise can help alleviate anxiety and depression

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I walk to the store when it's reasonable. I wasn't top tier at it, but the most exercise I could tolerate was playing DDR, because there was a game to it that isn't just physical activity. These kinds of articles are always annoying because it invites a certain kind of person who will gush unendingly about how great exerting yourself is. For me, exerting myself sucks, it is only something I want to do when it's attac…

I see where you're coming from. Over the past two decades, I tried different sports like going to the gym, jogging, swimming, body pump, etc. but never stuck because it was just a not fun. In the past 5 years, I've discovered at-home Yoga (on YouTube, I hate in-person classes), hiking on weekends, and going for 2-3 km walks after lunch each day.

What works for me might not work for you, but my broader point is that exercise != exercise. Try to find something that you like, and that you can fit into your schedule. Even if it's only a 15 min walk each day, during which you can e.g. listen to music or a podcast, reflect, do some people watching just or do nothing.

Re: A new study looks at how exercise can help alleviate anxiety and depression

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I walk to the store when it's reasonable. I wasn't top tier at it, but the most exercise I could tolerate was playing DDR, because there was a game to it that isn't just physical activity. These kinds of articles are always annoying because it invites a certain kind of person who will gush unendingly about how great exerting yourself is. For me, exerting myself sucks, it is only something I want to do when it's attac…

I would recommend trying sport climbing or gym bouldering. I had a very similar mindset of not being interesting or engaging for a longer period of time, but bouldering for me finaly hit the right combination of a "gamified" excercise that kept my attention for years.

Re: A new study looks at how exercise can help alleviate anxiety and depression

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I walk to the store when it's reasonable. I wasn't top tier at it, but the most exercise I could tolerate was playing DDR, because there was a game to it that isn't just physical activity. These kinds of articles are always annoying because it invites a certain kind of person who will gush unendingly about how great exerting yourself is. For me, exerting myself sucks, it is only something I want to do when it's attac…

> Just to add my contrarian two cents to a comment section that is otherwise mostly the former.

Your comment isn't particularly contrarian, and agrees mostly with the article. It says consistently throughout the article that the type of exercise doesn't matter, and that people should do exercise they enjoy, and tailor their choices towards their own personal wellbeing needs.

If DDR is what gets you going, then have at it (dancing is specifically highlighted in the article as beneficial). If yoga doesn't work for you, don't do it.

Re: A new study looks at how exercise can help alleviate anxiety and depression

#209

I walk to the store when it's reasonable. I wasn't top tier at it, but the most exercise I could tolerate was playing DDR, because there was a game to it that isn't just physical activity. These kinds of articles are always annoying because it invites a certain kind of person who will gush unendingly about how great exerting yourself is. For me, exerting myself sucks, it is only something I want to do when it's attac…

> tailored to someone with my neurological makeup that causes this dislike of useless exertion

Quite a lot to unpack here. I would argue the advice given is really good and valid for most people and so that's a good thing. I am sorry you feel under-represented and hope you find something valuable for yourself elsewhere.

Additionally I think lots of people find that they have to force themselves to start and finish a workout and only some eventually come to learn to like it. But for many it starts as a chore like preparing food or doing laundry or taking a shower. It costs time and effort and often hurts. And people can go for a while without any of those but it usually has consequences which are usually worse in the long run than the initial invest.

You seem to have a fairly static view of who "you" are. I used to be in the camp of "my body is just a vehicle for my brain" camp and did not understand why I would exercise at all since I was always skinny (but also super weak) and my mind was what I was working with. And then my grandpa told me: "A healthy mind likes to reside in a healthy body" and that took a few years to really sink in. And now I realize that pushing myself through regular workouts and making myself deliberately suffer exhaustion, fatigue and pain makes me more happy, stable and relaxed in general and I even think of myself as a fit athletic person now and made that part of my identity.

And lastly I am kind of curious about a thing: You said that you only want to do it when it's attached to a game. So if you share the notion that exercise is good and you already know that this is how it's easier for you to do it, then why not focus on exercises which are also games. There are so many of them. And for everyone else who does not need or want a game, meditating or doing yoga seems to be another great venue to start.

Re: A new study looks at how exercise can help alleviate anxiety and depression

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I don’t know if this has changed for younger generations, but a lot of people, particularly those in intellectual pursuits, suffer to one degree or another from thinking of themselves as a brain being carried around as a meat sack. We are learning more about mind body connections and this is very not true (the ways the vagus nerve can totally fuck with your mental state is terrifying, and there are people with dysfun…

The thing that made me transition from a mindset of “I have a body” to “I am a body”, was actually Zen meditation. This was surprising to me. Before I tried it, I thought of meditation as a purely mental thing, I didn’t expect that the first really noticeable effect of regular meditation would be a changed relationship to my body, Much later I discovered contemporary dance, quit my phd in machine learning and became…

I don't know how common is that story... Either I know you, or I know someone with a similar story.

Anyways, as someone who identifies both as a computer scientist and as a dancer, I can definitely relate to your experience:-)

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