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WHO advises against use of artificial sweeteners

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Re: WHO advises against use of artificial sweeteners

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It's probably the caffeine in Coke that keeps you going back. By the way: the newly reformulated Pepsi Zero has a lot more of it.

There's Coke Zero Gold or Zero Zero (depending on the country). No sugar, no caffeine. I'm still addicted to the taste.

Yep, I do know about those, we have them here in Canada.

Something tells they're much, much less popular than their caffeinated counterparts.

Re: WHO advises against use of artificial sweeteners

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Well, exactly right. I'm not choosing between putting a packet of splenda in my coffee or drinking it black. I'm choosing between a packet of splenda or two packets of sucrose. I'd find a study telling me which one of those is the better choice to be very helpful.

> I'm choosing between a packet of splenda or two packets of sucrose. The claim is that that's not what you're choosing between, because if that were the real choice, then the people who chose splenda would lose more weight than the people who chose sucrose, but that's apparently not the finding. So maybe the real choice is between two packets of sucrose, or splenda+two packets of sucrose, because the splenda causes…

I'm pretty sure I remember how I take my coffee! I've never done that.

Now you could argue that maybe I'm more likely to order a muffin alongside my coffee when I take splenda? Could be. I don't think so, but maybe.

Re: WHO advises against use of artificial sweeteners

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Wait, what assumption did I make? You said that Ribena, Irn Bru and friends are "childhood tastes". I made no other assumption. The rest of my comment is my experience of living in the UK. And there's nobody more sorry of this than me but the food in the UK is shite. There's this story I like to tell where I was buying bread from the Waitrose and it tasted like carton, like it had a distinct taste of wet box. So I fi…

> the farther away I move from those wretched, miserable rain-drenched isles. you dont make a compelling case when you end your point with such bias

Well, I'm biased. What can I say? I've lived seventeen years in this country! There was a time when people asked me why do I stay if it's so bad, and I would say, "oh, it's because of the beautiful weather, the great food, and the friendly people". And then no more questions.

A country that keeps voting the Nasty Party to power again and again, and only votes otherwise when it votes its Light version, is not a country that people choose because it's a nice place to live in.

Re: WHO advises against use of artificial sweeteners

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As someone who knows nothing about either side (and I assume many other readers are in the same boat), can you explain why it's reductionist? Genuinely curious about both sides.

Well - simple thought: You are reading a random comment that has made a claim: Claim: A plan was in place in 2016 that would have been effective for covid, but was not followed. But right now they have absolutely zero evidence to back that claim up - where is the plan? Who decided it would work in 2019? Did the plan need to be changed for reasons not foreseen (ex: expected or real supply shortages, unclear statistics…

The CDC plan is still available online as a PDF (see below). It was targeted toward influenza as that was the pandemic they anticipated. When Covid hit, due to it being a novel coronavirus, there was no plan in place. There was no data. Until that data was available, it would make sense to follow the existing plan and modify it as new data was collected.

What surprises me is that as we learned that Covid was spread in a way similar to influenza that our plan didn't track more closely to the CDC's pandemic plan. It tracked in very much the opposite direction. It's fine to change direction, but we should understand why.

Link to PDF version of pandemic plan: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/pdf/community_mit...

Re: WHO advises against use of artificial sweeteners

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For one thing you assumed my childhood was spent in the UK. More importantly, though, you assumed that when I called those drinks "childhood tastes" it meant they were the tastes of my childhood. Far from it. Food is the most important thing in my life after family, and that goes back generations. Your experiences of food in the UK don't match mine, and I've travelled plenty. In most places in the world you'll find s…

Well that is very unreasonable. First you say that Ribena et al. are "childhood tastes". Then when I say that's sad, you say "not my childhood!" and accuse me of making assumptions. Well, by that token, you're making assumptions too: I never said I think your childhood was spent in the UK. There is an XKCD for that style of communication, you know: https://xkcd.com/169/ About the cheese, you should check out any supe…

I didn't say they weren't the tastes of my childhood, I said they weren't the tastes of my childhood, with that emphasis. Perhaps it wasn't obvious what I meant if English isn't your first language. I was saying that they are childhood tastes (of my childhood, and loved ones!) but some among many and not defining ones. There's no semantic trickery involved. The insult I was responding to was the implication that because I enjoyed these drinks as a child it meant I had a limited diet and crude tastes.

The rest of it isn't worth responding to as I'm pretty sure I've had the exact same conversation with you before. You won't change your mind. Why you choose to live in a country you're so convinced is a shithole is a mystery to me, but next time I see you whinging about it on hn I'll know to walk on by.

The olive and garlic sourdough was wonderful. I don't care a jot if it doesn't conform to some arbitrary food rules you've invented.

Re: WHO advises against use of artificial sweeteners

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Well that is very unreasonable. First you say that Ribena et al. are "childhood tastes". Then when I say that's sad, you say "not my childhood!" and accuse me of making assumptions. Well, by that token, you're making assumptions too: I never said I think your childhood was spent in the UK. There is an XKCD for that style of communication, you know: https://xkcd.com/169/ About the cheese, you should check out any supe…

I didn't say they weren't the tastes of my childhood, I said they weren't the tastes of my childhood, with that emphasis. Perhaps it wasn't obvious what I meant if English isn't your first language. I was saying that they are childhood tastes (of my childhood, and loved ones!) but some among many and not defining ones. There's no semantic trickery involved. The insult I was responding to was the implication that beca…

>> I didn't say they weren't the tastes of my childhood, I said they weren't the tastes of my childhood, with that emphasis.

https://xkcd.com/169/

>> Why you choose to live in a country you're so convinced is a shithole is a mystery to me, but next time I see you whinging about it on hn I'll know to walk on by.

It's like I say in another comment: great food, beautiful weather, wonderful people.

Re: WHO advises against use of artificial sweeteners

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I didn't say they weren't the tastes of my childhood, I said they weren't the tastes of my childhood, with that emphasis. Perhaps it wasn't obvious what I meant if English isn't your first language. I was saying that they are childhood tastes (of my childhood, and loved ones!) but some among many and not defining ones. There's no semantic trickery involved. The insult I was responding to was the implication that beca…

>> I didn't say they weren't the tastes of my childhood, I said they weren't the tastes of my childhood, with that emphasis. https://xkcd.com/169/ >> Why you choose to live in a country you're so convinced is a shithole is a mystery to me, but next time I see you whinging about it on hn I'll know to walk on by. It's like I say in another comment: great food, beautiful weather, wonderful people.

You seem to be a bitter person. I hope you find a more effective solution to your unsatisfactory circumstances than insulting strangers on web forums.

Re: WHO advises against use of artificial sweeteners

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>> I didn't say they weren't the tastes of my childhood, I said they weren't the tastes of my childhood, with that emphasis. https://xkcd.com/169/ >> Why you choose to live in a country you're so convinced is a shithole is a mystery to me, but next time I see you whinging about it on hn I'll know to walk on by. It's like I say in another comment: great food, beautiful weather, wonderful people.

You seem to be a bitter person. I hope you find a more effective solution to your unsatisfactory circumstances than insulting strangers on web forums.

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Re: WHO advises against use of artificial sweeteners

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Oh we know how it works. Science was bought out by Big industry a long time ago and is as much of a religion as Christianity

I don't think this forum is suited to your kind of short sighted opinions. Life is more complicated than your black and white world view.

Except it’s not. Because that’s exactly what happened with sugar. Why are studies funded by Big Food 10x more likely to say sugar is ok? Coincidence, right? Science isn’t as objective as you think.
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