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Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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I searched and it looks like the Mercedes L3 is available for 7430 EUR on top of 149900 EUR for the base EQS 450+ model (link below, in french).

Anyone looked if there's a cheaper way to get this Mercedes L3?

https://www.lesnumeriques.com/voiture/drive-pilot-mercedes-c...

https://www.lesnumeriques.com/voiture/essai-mercedes-eqs-450...

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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I tried to buy the Mercedes EQS with that feature. All the dealers had a $50k markup , you had to wait months for delivery and most of the cool features in their marketing were not available due to parts shortages. So call me skeptical…

Skeptical? Because it’s so popular that it’s very hard to get?

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Friendly reminder that this system is HEAVILY limited, with the following restrictions: - Must be under 40 mph - Only during the daylight and only on certain highways - CANNOT be operated on city/country streets - CANNOT be operated in construction zones - CANNOT be during heavy rain or fog or flood roads And for comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjZSZTKYEU4 Tesla FSD navigating the complex city streets of…

For comparison, Tesla FSD veering directly at a cyclist, who was saved only by the driver's lightning reflexes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5wkENwrp_k For comparison, Tesla FSD cruising right through a crossswalk with pedestrians and the driver is gleeful about it: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/05/teslas-full-self-drivin... For comparison, Tesla FSD veering into oncoming traffic https://www.reddit.com/r/tesl…

As a counter point: these Tesla videos are much more common because there are more Teslas driving around with the feature enabled.

We don't know of the Mercedes is as much of a murder machine based on the little material from their FSD system there is.

All self driving car manufacturers have videos of their cars doing the most ridiculous things. It's hard to pick one above the other. At least Mercedes seems to have documented their limitations rather than assumed their system works everywhere, so that's a good sign to me.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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We’ve actually had nearly self driving vehicles for over a century. They’re called trains. We should invest in some. The navigation problem gets way easier

Do you have a train station in front of your house and any target destination you can imagine wanting to go to? Because most people don't.

Do you have a self driving car? Because no one does.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Do you have a train station in front of your house and any target destination you can imagine wanting to go to? Because most people don't.

Maybe if we built more of those, more people would be within walking distance of them.

Trains for local transportation make no sense. Trams for high-throughput and buses for everything else is the only sensible thing for local public transport.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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post #43

Friendly reminder that this system is HEAVILY limited, with the following restrictions: - Must be under 40 mph - Only during the daylight and only on certain highways - CANNOT be operated on city/country streets - CANNOT be operated in construction zones - CANNOT be during heavy rain or fog or flood roads And for comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjZSZTKYEU4 Tesla FSD navigating the complex city streets of…

Took me less than a few minutes, to find in the same channel, FSD failing and the human having to intervene. Here it is at the proper time and for a video uploaded 10 hours ago... - https://youtu.be/KG4yABOlNjk?t=995 And even worst failures...looking at all these I simply do not believe the videos posted are not edited or a selection of a success out of many failed ones. https://youtu.be/KG4yABOlNjk?t=1252 https://yo…

Why don't you find a video of FSD failing on a 40mph highway with no lane changes for an apples to apples comparison...

Oh wait that is an unreasonably niche scenario to be worthy of consideration in the context of full autonomy.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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> [...] blows what Mercedes has built out of the water. Mercedes FSD prototype, 10 years ago: https://youtu.be/G5kJ_8JAp-w

Yeah that’s nowhere close. It’s easy to make a prototype that looks good in a marketing video while driving a very tightly mapped route. It’s a whole other thing to let anyone use self driving tech anywhere, especially on routes it has never seen before.

That was teen years ago, remember. All I can say is that these guys are extremely knowledgeable, kind and an absolute joy to work with. Big shout out to Eberhard, Carsten, Christoph, Clemens and Thao, and to the ones not appearing in the video, like Uwe (enjoy your retirement), David and Henning and a lot others from the chair of Christoph Stiller and from Mercedes research.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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post #43

Friendly reminder that this system is HEAVILY limited, with the following restrictions: - Must be under 40 mph - Only during the daylight and only on certain highways - CANNOT be operated on city/country streets - CANNOT be operated in construction zones - CANNOT be during heavy rain or fog or flood roads And for comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjZSZTKYEU4 Tesla FSD navigating the complex city streets of…

Even considering its heavy limitations, the Mercedes system is miles better than the Tesla, because it is actually useful. You can actually turn on the system and do your email, or take a nap. Yes, the 40 mph limitation on highways seems to make it useless, but many highways get congested to the point where you are not going over 40 mph anyways, and those are the times when it is most frustrating to drive. And regard…

Now try to look up videos of Mercedes’ L3 system in operation and you’ll see how hilarious this claim is. It shuts off immediately without a vehicle to follow in front of you. Good luck taking a nap and typing emails. L3 my ass.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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post #195

I tried to buy the Mercedes EQS with that feature. All the dealers had a $50k markup , you had to wait months for delivery and most of the cool features in their marketing were not available due to parts shortages. So call me skeptical…

Skeptical? Because it’s so popular that it’s very hard to get?

popular would mean at least 100k-1mil. is this mercedes really popular like this?
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