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Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by pier25 »

squarefoot wrote: post #183
pier25 wrote: post #158

I owned a Push 2 and sold it after a year. Never got into it because the pads weren't very good. Soft touches sometimes triggered notes at max velocity which drove me nuts. The Push 3 has more sophisticated pads with MPE and I'm very skeptical Ableton could pull that off with good QA. The other thing that I find ridiculous is they sell you a barebones computer for $1,000 with an i3, 8GB of RAM, and 256GB SSD. A compu…

> For that kind of money you could buy an M2 iPad Pro Swap real pads and knobs for a touch screen? No thanks, even if they would give it to me for free. Not judging Ableton stuff prices, and I'm also not into this kind of devices (aside my Korg Padkontrol) because as a prog rock wannabe musician I would probably have little use for them, but when using electronic instruments, nothing comes close to real things you ca…

I only meant the computer part, not the controller.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by sayrer »

smoldesu wrote: post #159
pier25 wrote: post #158

I owned a Push 2 and sold it after a year. Never got into it because the pads weren't very good. Soft touches sometimes triggered notes at max velocity which drove me nuts. The Push 3 has more sophisticated pads with MPE and I'm very skeptical Ableton could pull that off with good QA. The other thing that I find ridiculous is they sell you a barebones computer for $1,000 with an i3, 8GB of RAM, and 256GB SSD. A compu…

Can an iPad run Live?

Not right now, but they have an app called Note: https://www.ableton.com/en/note/

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by pier25 »

rewgs wrote: post #196
pier25 wrote: post #158

I owned a Push 2 and sold it after a year. Never got into it because the pads weren't very good. Soft touches sometimes triggered notes at max velocity which drove me nuts. The Push 3 has more sophisticated pads with MPE and I'm very skeptical Ableton could pull that off with good QA. The other thing that I find ridiculous is they sell you a barebones computer for $1,000 with an i3, 8GB of RAM, and 256GB SSD. A compu…

This is...completely missing the point. It honestly blows my mind how often exemplars of the Dunning-Kruger effect make it to the top on HN. You know that feeling you get as a programmer watching, like, two people code on the same keyboard on CSI or whatever? That's the feeling anyone with expertise in a domain other than programming gets when reading comments on HN regarding said domain. The most fundamental appeal…

Obviously I meant replacing the computer part with an iPad, not the controller.

> No one cares what CPU it has

Good luck running a dozen instances of Diva if you don't care about the CPU :)

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by pier25 »

coldtea wrote: post #176
pier25 wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ableton could have made an app to run the Live engine controlled by the Push. After all, they are probably running some Linux distro in the Push 3 so they had to invest in that anyway.

> Ableton could have made an app to run the Live engine controlled by the Push. And it wouldn't have pads, dedicated dials, MIDI, inputs and outputs, MPE, and everything else. It would be just a big screen with a iPad-like touch UI. So nothing like this.

I never meant for the iPad to replace the controller. Just the computer part.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by Jagerbizzle »

dubcanada wrote: post #197

This thread is super hackernews-y, people complaining about the performance of the PC that runs it compared to equally priced specs, some comments about source code and APIs, some comments about copying a open source product, a few about when AI can make music?? Doesn't really seem to be much talk about the actual product, I must say I haven't owned either, but it looks super cool! The video was very well done showca…

I bought one. I'm a hobbyist that's been using Ableton in a hobbyist manner since 2005 or so.

As a software developer that works remotely, I have extremely limited desire to sit in front of my computer when work is over, and thus I end up using my music gear (which is unfortunately all crammed in my home office) much less than I'd like to. The appeal of a product like this is that I can take it into a different room and scratch the music production itch when I have it without feeling like I'm sitting at my work office all day.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by coldtea »

pier25 wrote: post #200
coldtea wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For that kind of money you could buy an M2 iPad Pro with more performance and a lot more battery time than 2.5 hours This has a strong https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224 vibe to it. The computing-part hardware specs don't matter at all, the same way you don't compare the cpu specs of a phone or a synth to a laptop or tablet. This is about the interface, pads, firmware, comprehensiveness and convenience as a…

> The computing-part hardware specs don't matter at all Except when you're trying to run dozens of VST plugins which are extremely CPU hungry.

I'm pretty sure the Push 3 has been calculated to be able to run the plugins it needs to run - and without interruptions or other apps taking over the OS.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by pier25 »

coldtea wrote: post #206
pier25 wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The computing-part hardware specs don't matter at all Except when you're trying to run dozens of VST plugins which are extremely CPU hungry.

I'm pretty sure the Push 3 has been calculated to be able to run the plugins it needs to run - and without interruptions or other apps taking over the OS.

> to be able to run the plugins it needs to run

What does that even mean?

How many Diva instances can it run?

Edit:

And BTW, AKAI MPC users hit CPU limits all the time. And that's not even using heavy VSTs like Diva but the ARM optimized plugins included.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by earthnail »

I had the privilege of playing with the Push 3 a few weeks ago. If you owned a Push before, it’s exactly what you think it is: basically the Push you always wanted. The fact that it’s a standalone device now is brilliant. So is the built-in battery. Just super, super convenient.

Controls are mostly self-explanatory. It has a fantastic tutorial when you first use it; overall a really polished experience. The MPI on the pads is very impressive, although I didn’t spend enough time to see how useful I personally will find it. The build quality is awesome though. That large wheel on the top right has the slickest horizontal shift movement I’ve ever experienced on a knob.

It’s just slick. And yes, I just ordered one :D.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by TremendousJudge »

Jagerbizzle wrote: post #205
dubcanada wrote: post #197

This thread is super hackernews-y, people complaining about the performance of the PC that runs it compared to equally priced specs, some comments about source code and APIs, some comments about copying a open source product, a few about when AI can make music?? Doesn't really seem to be much talk about the actual product, I must say I haven't owned either, but it looks super cool! The video was very well done showca…

I bought one. I'm a hobbyist that's been using Ableton in a hobbyist manner since 2005 or so. As a software developer that works remotely, I have extremely limited desire to sit in front of my computer when work is over, and thus I end up using my music gear (which is unfortunately all crammed in my home office) much less than I'd like to. The appeal of a product like this is that I can take it into a different room…

>I end up using my music gear (which is unfortunately all crammed in my home office)

Same here, I like to think of it as my studio, a place where I do creative things. Same crammed room but it sounds a lot more romantic.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by bbx »

The Push 1 looked like a prototype. The Push 2 is such a massive improvement. It’s visually and functionally perfect. It was hard to find fault in its design and workflow (if you are a Live aficionado of course). If you don’t like the uniqueness of Live, you can’t like the Push. (But you can still like Live without liking the Push).

Obviously, a lot (if not all) of the Push UX is only possible and satisfying because of how closely it integrates with Live.

I didn’t think a Push 3 would come so soon, because I couldn’t see how the hardware or design could be improved. I was wrong. It seems the design has been slightly improved. But I never thought Ableton would release a stand-alone version of the Push. It’s a hefty price tag, it doesn’t support third party plugins, and its portability is limited. But I can’t shake off the idea that Ableton just released the ultimate musical device for someone like me.

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