Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC • Hacker News Board

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Post by p0pcult » Thu, May 04, 2023, 3:56 PM UTC

Brystephor wrote: post #147

0xB31B1B wrote: post #113

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In the US, kids are bombarded with ads for sugary cereals and candy and we have a huge childhood obesity problem.

So to reverse this, if kids were shown advertisements about vegetables and gyms or other physical activities, then there would be no child obesity?

If they featured celebrities and cartoons and vegetables came with toys, as well as stopping the ads for garbage food...I'd guess more likely than not, we would go back to more typical levels of child obesity.

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Post by rvz » Thu, May 04, 2023, 3:57 PM UTC

baynoob wrote: post #168

How come FTC keeps coming back at this one company? Whereas TikTok and others having business as normal

It is because Facebook has lots of money and users just like TikTok today, but Facebook was the biggest at the time when they got fined in the billions.

If the FTC is getting upset at Facebook over privacy issues, then they should equally apply this to all social networks, especially TikTok which is just as equally as bad if not worse today and should also be fined in the multi-billions of dollars if the are to continue to operate in the US with a worse track record of privacy violations. [0] [1] [2]

A massive multi-billion dollar fine for TikTok is much better than a total ban.

[0] https://edpb.europa.eu/news/national-news/2021/dutch-dpa-tik...

[1] https://www.scmagazine.com/news/privacy/uk-tiktok-16m-fine-c...

[2] https://fortune.com/2022/12/22/tiktok-data-privacy-blunder-c...

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Post by leroy-is-here » Thu, May 04, 2023, 3:57 PM UTC

simultsop wrote: post #187

markx2 wrote: post #166

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It was, but they could not then move fast enough to escape the law.

But many of us, enjoy the benefits their agility gave birth to. Let's hope they learned lessons and will be improving their ways. I guess no one plans to get in trouble at first. Consequences become highest price for innovation. Highlighting failures and calling for punishment constantly would stop everyone trying to innovate.

What are the benefits we are supposedly enjoying?

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Post by p0pcult » Thu, May 04, 2023, 3:59 PM UTC

skizm wrote: post #97

baggachipz wrote: post #66

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> I think deliberately manipulating kids is heinous Religion has entered the chat.

I'm no fan of organized Religion, but I think there is a clear distinction here. Religion is opt-in (by the parents) where most advertising to kids isn't. You could argue that parents could take away their access to [phone|youtube|instagram|etc.], but kids will get access at school, or through their friends one way or another. The internet is too ubiquitous at this point to actually opt-out.

You shouldn't be allowed to opt others in, especially those under the age of legally informed consent, to brainwashing.

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Post by smoldesu » Thu, May 04, 2023, 4:00 PM UTC

simultsop wrote: post #199

fnimick wrote: post #191

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Maybe we shouldn't be encouraging "innovation" if it's at the expense of other people?

If it was not for FB privacy concerns would never become mainstream. 8B people would be still spied on. Not saying someone has to pay but they helped us see what happens when a social network gets big. Same as we wont know the dark sides of AI, but it has to be tackled.

What exactly are you talking about here? Facebook did make many people second-guess their online presence, but it's not like our concerns over their data usage has stopped all spying. TikTok still ingests millions of videos for their... purposes. FIVE EYES ensures that the billions of first-world citizens are all spied on in law-abiding manner. NSO Group proves that spying can be privatized for adversaries too.

The "dark side" of privacy concerns is that you can't merely pick one boogeyman and pretend that killing them fixes everything.

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Post by simultsop » Thu, May 04, 2023, 4:00 PM UTC

bparsons wrote: post #194

simultsop wrote: post #187

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But many of us, enjoy the benefits their agility gave birth to. Let's hope they learned lessons and will be improving their ways. I guess no one plans to get in trouble at first. Consequences become highest price for innovation. Highlighting failures and calling for punishment constantly would stop everyone trying to innovate.

Consequences like a genocide in Burma or massive increases in the youth suicide rate?

I'm just speaking for innovation here, guns and medicine are most liable inventions to increase the two cases you point at. Anything can be used for good or bad.

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Post by deltree7 » Thu, May 04, 2023, 4:01 PM UTC

Meta should take FTC all the way to supreme court for their regulatory overreach and kneecap them, so that unelected, incompetent people don't bring their biased agenda to governing businesses

https://about.fb.com/news/2023/05/upholding-our-commitment-t...

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Post by dragonwriter » Thu, May 04, 2023, 4:02 PM UTC

baynoob wrote: post #168

How come FTC keeps coming back at this one company? Whereas TikTok and others having business as normal

> How come FTC keeps coming back at this one company?

It doesn’t, exclusively.

Lots of social media companies have had run ins with the FTC.

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Post by fnimick » Thu, May 04, 2023, 4:03 PM UTC

nuclearnice1 wrote: post #197

fnimick wrote: post #191

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Maybe we shouldn't be encouraging "innovation" if it's at the expense of other people?

Probably too simplistic. Innovation serves some and “disrupts” others. Uber might be a handy ride for you. A NYC cabbie who is in debt for his medallion might see it the opposite.

And by the law, Uber should be illegal. That they broke the law and got popular enough to apply political pressure does not mean that they were not technically illegal the entire time.

There's no contradiction here. If certain applications are illegal, you don't get to decide that regulation is inconvenient to your "innovation" and deal with the consequences later. Or rather, that is exactly what you do to make $megabux, and that's what should not be allowed.

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Post by simultsop » Thu, May 04, 2023, 4:03 PM UTC

leroy-is-here wrote: post #203

simultsop wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But many of us, enjoy the benefits their agility gave birth to. Let's hope they learned lessons and will be improving their ways. I guess no one plans to get in trouble at first. Consequences become highest price for innovation. Highlighting failures and calling for punishment constantly would stop everyone trying to innovate.

What are the benefits we are supposedly enjoying?

As a web dev here, have React, GraphQL, raising application of oAuth and many others. Probably others experienced getting in touch with their friends and families. Not claiming they should have paid that with their privacy. Given the functionality for a specific time the platform did its job well. We were caught short-sighted how all this could go wrong.