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Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs

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Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs

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Post by somedude895 »

throwaway290 wrote: post #119
somedude895 wrote: post #105

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All the overvalued growth stocks are going down because the supply of easy money dried up. The massive rise in BYND share price was always ridiculous. Their products are easy to replicate and companies like Nestlé have way more resources to bring them to market successfully and sustainably, which they're doing now.

Somebody not eating animal products for ethical reasons will not buy anything from Nestle given a choice, for very same reasons. And yes, we who avoid Nestle pay more for alternatives, but if you know their business practices there's no moral choice.

I'm not a vegetarian, but I eat little meat and replace the rest with meat alternatives. And I buy Nestle products, as do pretty much all people I know who are also trying to reduce their meat consumption. Meat alternatives are entering the mainstream and not everybody who cares about animal welfare is also an activist.

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Post by myaccountonhn »

jiggywiggy wrote: post #148
matsemann wrote: post #69

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But people (including you it seems) don't really understand the scale at which meat production harm the environment compared to vegetables. Yes, every mass production have problems, but with meat you need multiple times the amount of everything, because you first need to produce the food the cow or whatever eats, and then the meat production. For instance, it's multiple times less co2 impact for me eating an avocado…

You can't honestly claim buying avacado's is better for the planet, it's wreaked social & ecological havoc in multiple south American countries with dried up rivers, gangs and lack of diversification of the income of a country. Next to that it's not always Plants vs meats. In many places only cattle can graze but not much of value can grow. The CO2 issue is really a terrible comparison. Everything cows put out has be…

> it's wreaked social & ecological havoc in multiple south American countries with dried up rivers, gangs and lack of diversification of the income of a country.

The produce to feed the cattle is often detrimental to the environment too. They're not cutting down rain forests in Brazil to produce soy for meat substitutes but rather for produce to feed animals.

But it's absolutely important to eat local and if you're gonna eat meat ensure that the animal was fed local produce too.

Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs

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Post by dghughes »

postsantum wrote: post #42

Sure, when you are priced out of meat and fish, you are turning to vegan options. I expect a similar headline in a few years (from bugbasednews): "Vegan Food Sales Drop in Europe as Insect Versions Hit Record Hight"

Why vegan though and not just vegetarian? It is far less complicated and has less dogma and drama than vegan.

I'm expecting the CRON (calorie restriction optimal nutrition) diet to become popular. People these days seem need to one-up or shock everyone, and vegan will be seen as too soft.

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Post by dayvid »

xvilka wrote: post #131

I wish it was more popular in Asia. Here everyone is crazy about meat, fish, and seafood. As vegetarian it's hard to go to a random place and find even one single non-plain (e.g. not pure rice) dish. The vegan choice outside vegetarian restaurants is pretty limited.

I went to Japan last year and it was rough haha. I'm vegetarian so it was a little better.

I spent a lot of time navigating to the sparse vegan/vegetarian restaurants which were overall mediocre. I subsisted on Starbucks veggie sandwiches, protein bars and 7-11 items.

I would probably go to more Indian restaurants if I did it again, but I try to keep high-protein and it makes things more complicated. I would also relax a little bit on the dashi and have some non-meat Soba.

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Post by Reason077 »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #112
Reason077 wrote: post #100

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Here in the UK, plant based milks are typically more expensive than cow’s milk, particularly if you go for the well-known brands (Alpro, Oatly, etc) Typically in a corner shop you’re paying around £2 for 1 litre of plant milk, compared to £1.25 for 2 pints (1.13L) of cow’s milk. That doesn’t seem to have dampened demand for plant milks, however!

Jealous that you get a choice. Netherlands here which is actually better for vegan options as a whole than the UK in my experience but never found a corner shop With anything but cow dairy.

> "never found a corner shop With anything but cow dairy"

That's strange. They certainly are popular in the UK, and their long shelf life means there's little risk for shops in stocking them. I wonder if dutch "big dairy" could be using dirty tricks to keep plant alternatives off shop shelves?

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Post by bitL »

danielbln wrote: post #178
bitL wrote: post #136

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Oat milk has no lactoferrin, a powerful anti-viral/bacterial/fungal compound in milk, so you are going to eliminate a significant immunity boost.

You can supplement with lactoferrin if you so choose, and on the flip side oat milk doesn't contain any hormones, antibiotics or pus, all of which can slip into cow milk.

Oat milk would likely contain pesticides and other chemical residues. There is no hiding from bad chemicals but one can choose food that contains support for their removal. I'd be concerned about pure vegan diet for its lack of certain removal-supporting compounds, leading to massive issues after many years as one can read on Internet. I doubt they will supplement missing things.

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Post by karmakurtisaani »

kitkat_new wrote: post #159
karmakurtisaani wrote: post #132

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I respectfully disagree. As much as I would like to avoid the kinds of Nestle, it's just impossible in practice for many of us. Instead, I try to find comfort in the fact that animal replacements are becoming cheap and common because of the mega corporations.

> As much as I would like to avoid the kinds of Nestle, it's just impossible in practice for many of us. how so?

Wife, kids, full time job, hobbies.. simply no time or energy to start looking at each item and finding alternatives when finally buying groceries.

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Post by ornornor »

mg wrote: post #13

Vegans of HN: What do you supplement and why? Personally, I supplement VitaminD3 and Iron. And I make sure to eat salad, carrots and avocado every day. I came up with this regime after getting my blood work done and after exactly tracking all my nutritional values for a while and comparing those to the suggested amounts. I also have a long running project in the "statistics of one" space, where I track a lot of treat…

I supplement D (because lots of people are deficient, vegan or not), B12, and K (helps with B12 or D absorption, forgot which)

For iron, I’d suggest switching to cast iron or carbon steel pans. They transfer iron to anything you cook in them and you absorb it. Works the same way as these little iron fishes to drop in the stew some ONGs gave (give?) to third world populations that are having iron deficiencies from not being able to afford or find a proper diet.

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Post by Eduard »

kelipso wrote: post #163
Eduard wrote: post #149

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> many (most?) vegan alternatives, which rely heavily on such things as canola oil and have to be engineered. Kinda strawmanny to take/highlight unhealthy food as the vegan alternatives compared. > perhaps we can agree we shouldn't be making policy decisions that shift the diets of millions of people The diary and meat industries are prime examples that have profited and am profiting from (influencing) policy decisio…

Oat milk is a popular vegan milk and almost all of them are 10% canola oil. It's not that much of a strawman.

> almost all of them * which you checked / where you live

Probably you mean 10% oat, not canola oil; that much fat wouldn't be a vegan drink milk alternative.

Besides, I don't find the current evidence for canola oil being unhealthy convincing.

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Post by ihatepython »

archon1410 wrote: post #161
mvdwoord wrote: post #4

Plenty to improve in food production, sure, but the current move towards hyper processed foods is dumb. They can take the animal meat (and eggs, and dairy products) from my cold dead hands..

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If we run out of plant food sources, the omnivores can simply eat the vegans. In nature, there is a food chain.
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