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I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by aprinsen »

adhocmobility wrote: post #123

Hi everyone, author of the article here. I'm sorry if the article sounds overly pessimistic. I'm not making any claims with this article. I'm not proposing anything either. I do think technological progress is a good thing, even in this case. But I wrote this blog because I did have an emotional response to this technology, and wanted to pen down my thoughts. Its one thing to look at a report about the economic impac…

I share some of your concerns and I'd not thought about this angle - folks outside the west doing this kind of work. So thanks for sharing.

I have attempted to shift my mindset a little, thinking about how I might become an effective user of AI tools. I hope if I can do this that it will keep me employable, or even enable me to start some kind of venture down the line. Maybe there's a path forward for you and your friend on that route. Best of luck.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by satvikpendem »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #167
logicalmonster wrote: post #138

1) Chaudry's article is amazing in its lack of creative thinking. If people like Priya can be ~10 times more productive wielding some AI tools, that means that many companies can potentially produce 10 times as many products/services and make more things that will enrich peoples' lives. Though some people in some companies might be laid off, it doesn't necessarily mean that more people will be laid off than new jobs…

> that means that many companies can potentially produce 10 times as many products/services and make more things that will enrich peoples' lives. This has been the promise over and over again, for centuries, and it has consistently not paid off. Where's the predicted society where automation allows us all to work for two hours a day, and spend the rest at leisure? > Though some people in some companies might be laid…

> This has been the promise over and over again, for centuries, and it has consistently not paid off.

You are working the same number of hours as before (40 ish) because companies are producing 10x as much goods in the same amount of time. If they produced only the same amount, ie 1x, you'd have your 2 hour work day (or more likely be out of a job). It is because companies are producing more stuff that you have a job at all currently. You are complaining about the very thing you benefit from now.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by oefnak »

netbioserror wrote: post #86
Aaargh20318 wrote: post #29

The big oversight here is that Priya does not want a job , what Priya wants is an income . The point of life is not working, the point of life is to enjoy it. We should strive to eliminate as many jobs as we possibly can, the less we have to work the better it is. To make this possible we need to find a way to a new system that doesn't directly link labour with income .

What a profoundly naive opinion. Most people find meaning, fulfillment, even contentment in working, especially when the problems are engaging and the solutions produce value. Many people claim their lives would be better if they never had to work, but they are bullshitting themselves with childhood naivete. Not working is a sucking void of boredom, nihilism, hedonism, and despair. I've been through some of that befo…

Probably more than half of all jobs are unfulfilling.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by fastball »

ricksunny wrote: post #148

"...has a bachelor’s degree in Biotechnology and works as biomedical data curator. Her job is to go through scientific papers that publish RNA sequencing data. She understands the design of the experiment and cleans and annotates the data accordingly... Her work requires just enough domain expertise that it is been non-trivial to automate (until now). I think you know where this is headed. The day I got off the GPT4…

Tangential, but if you haven't seen ChatPDF[1] yet, it is probably the best interface for the job you're talking about that I've found so far.

[1] https://chatpdf.com

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by pixl97 »

crop_rotation wrote: post #187
itissid wrote: post #177

I think that governments and organizations are asleep at the wheel when it comes to the unreasonable effectiveness of AI agents(virtual and physical). If Priya and 100's of millions of people lose their incomes it stands to reason that the government/organizations can empower these people to generate a source of sustenance using AI as well. I can't but not imagine a future where a country, lets call it Xhina, starts…

The future you project, for good or bad, shows an omnipotent government which has power over every aspect of human life about everything. Not sure if it is a good future.

Unfortunately technology pretty much makes this future unavoidable... it's been the eventual outcome of building world wide sensing networks. In the past there were places to hide, in the future there will not be.

Now, what kind of governments and malignant machines are behind those networks in the future, that is yet to be decided, but it outlook doesn't seem great.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by surgical_fire »

pixl97 wrote: post #178
surgical_fire wrote: post #156

Funny thing - I've been using ChatGPT as a programming assistant. My experience with it is that the more knowledgeable I am at the domain, the more useful it is. It often generates code that won't compile or won't run correctly, but that sort of goes in the correct direction, enough that I can spot the blunders and refine my questions. Quite often I even learn a few new things when using it to explore libraries and f…

My friends in the gaming industry have the complains they can't get new junior and associate members on their team for development. Instead companies want to throw more tooling at them to make the senior developers more productive. With how bad companies are at providing on the job training now, what does the future look like with 100x developers versus newbies that can't talk to AI?

Well, I fully expect juniors in a few years to be somewhat familiar with AI assistants such as ChatGPT, much like they come with some familiarity with a programming language, an IDE, web search, etc.

I see LLM models not as the end of society, just as new powerful productivity tools.

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Post by namarie »

listenallyall wrote: post #190
onion2k wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people find meaning, fulfillment, even contentment in working, especially when the problems are engaging and the solutions produce value. You can do that without it being a job. I enjoy making things out of epoxy resin. It's fun, creative, hard work. I'd do it a lot more if we had universal basic income. It's not my job.

> You can do that without it being a job Yes, you can , but his argument is that most people don't -- and he's right.

I think people are confusing having a job with work. Making things out of epoxy resin takes a lot of work and it's satisfying. If everyone had UBI people would absolutely still work a lot. It's just that they wouldn't have to have a job in order not to become destitute.

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Post by Method-X »

surgical_fire wrote: post #156

Funny thing - I've been using ChatGPT as a programming assistant. My experience with it is that the more knowledgeable I am at the domain, the more useful it is. It often generates code that won't compile or won't run correctly, but that sort of goes in the correct direction, enough that I can spot the blunders and refine my questions. Quite often I even learn a few new things when using it to explore libraries and f…

This has been exactly my experience as well.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by wruza »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #167
logicalmonster wrote: post #138

1) Chaudry's article is amazing in its lack of creative thinking. If people like Priya can be ~10 times more productive wielding some AI tools, that means that many companies can potentially produce 10 times as many products/services and make more things that will enrich peoples' lives. Though some people in some companies might be laid off, it doesn't necessarily mean that more people will be laid off than new jobs…

> that means that many companies can potentially produce 10 times as many products/services and make more things that will enrich peoples' lives. This has been the promise over and over again, for centuries, and it has consistently not paid off. Where's the predicted society where automation allows us all to work for two hours a day, and spend the rest at leisure? > Though some people in some companies might be laid…

This promise had to be fulfilled by those whose salary depends on not doing it (us). Do you really believe that automation is at its peak availability now? I think we diverge from it more and more. Even as a programmer you meet a bunch of barriers to automate yourself or your home, office, etc. Every little thing is complex af. The society that automates everything is coming, I hope, bypassing the heap of nonsense we’ve built.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by moneywoes »

jprete wrote: post #68
Robotbeat wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All small businesses are not pure profit maximizers. Anyway even if they were, there’s MORE money to be made by empowering employees to use powerful tools which can increase revenues and profits much more than just firing. Doing so generates goodwill which improves employee effectiveness and drive.

Goodwill doesn’t pay the bills, most businesses don’t care, and most CEOs etc cannot acquire more customers and contracts fast enough to multiply the available work by ten in the time frame required.

Seems most people miss this. If anything businesses will increase their profits instead
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