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Re: Italian government seeks to penalize the use of English words

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Post by pb7 »

pmoleri wrote: post #156
unpopularopp wrote: post #18

Good. Americans are usually not aware of the extent of american cultural imperialism which is basically everywhere, not just in Europe but you can see it very strong here I'm not saying it's bad or good. But I wish we have less Hollywood, less Netflix, less american music, less american videogames, less imported american culture topics etc when actual local music, movies, books, games exist.

> Americans are usually not aware of the extent of american cultural imperialism Which of the 35 American countries are you referring to? ;)

The most important one is a safe bet.

Re: Italian government seeks to penalize the use of English words

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Post by edmundsauto »

seydor wrote: post #146
Quarrelsome wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd vehemently disagree. There's a clear cultural divide between the average of the US and the average of Europe on many topics, albeit much of that is a cause of the large quantity of remaining traditionalists in the US skewing the American average. For example there's clear differences on secularism, gun-rights, access to abortion, universal healthcare, labour laws, privacy and regulation. > The silent death of eur…

There's no 'average european culture' as inter-european differences are bigger than US-europe divide. The US is basically our common cultural base now. > secularism, gun-rights, access to abortion, universal healthcare, labour laws, privacy and regulation At least 4 of those issues are american , not european. this just goes to show how much attention europeans pay to the US issues instead of our own issues (aging of…

Similarly, there is no average American culture, as inter-state differences in attitude are large. America is as polarized as it's ever been, which is another way of saying the same thing.

Re: Italian government seeks to penalize the use of English words

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Post by sobkas »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #144
tpmx wrote: post #138

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> They awarded Obama a Nobel before he ever had a chance to do anything. That one was the celebrity-hungry Norwegian Nobel Committee's fault. They award the peace prize.

Obama got a reception like he was the Pope on his first European trip. It spans more than just the Nobel committee.

> Obama got a reception like he was the Pope on his first European trip. It spans more than just the Nobel committee.

First not being Bush wrote a lot of checks he couldn't cash. People believed for some reason that he was leftist, and later discovered how much to the right, American "left" is. And American media also distorted a bit what was actually happening. Neither democratic nor republican media would show their beloved leaders(you can guess which media support which president) in bad light.

Re: Italian government seeks to penalize the use of English words

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Post by [deleted] »

tedunangst wrote: post #148
stametseater wrote: post #118

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You've been downvoted for offending Americans by rejecting America's cultural imperialism. I challenge anybody who downvoted this post to provide any other explanation for their decision.

It's too fucking long.

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Re: Italian government seeks to penalize the use of English words

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Post by seydor »

edmundsauto wrote: post #202
seydor wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no 'average european culture' as inter-european differences are bigger than US-europe divide. The US is basically our common cultural base now. > secularism, gun-rights, access to abortion, universal healthcare, labour laws, privacy and regulation At least 4 of those issues are american , not european. this just goes to show how much attention europeans pay to the US issues instead of our own issues (aging of…

Similarly, there is no average American culture, as inter-state differences in attitude are large. America is as polarized as it's ever been, which is another way of saying the same thing.

american culture is almost homogeneous. ask a european visitor

Re: Italian government seeks to penalize the use of English words

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Post by hashtag-til »

lm28469 wrote: post #172
seydor wrote: post #163

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The 'outside world' is worse. Europe is aging, it's looking backwards and has very little interest in the future. The left side of the spectrum is stuck in '70s social democracy and believes it can still work despite the demographic collapse (french protests). It is not forward-looking nor has it made a post-boomer vision. The right is stuck in awe of its old glory and tries to revive nationalism (like Mrs Meloni, Br…

That's a very limited definition of culture then I'd say the french protests are a good testament to the french culture being alive and kicking when basically every other country accept slaving their lives away until 67+

I’m a big fan of french culture a wish other countries would do the same to establish where is the line of what they want to preserve, and really do the investiment for it.

Re: Italian government seeks to penalize the use of English words

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Post by [deleted] »

pyrale wrote: post #122
uejfiweun wrote: post #113

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> rather the way of thinking about the world. As an American who has lived in the US my whole life, it can be tough to see outside the box, so to speak. What parts of the US worldview are being exported? How does it differ with traditional attitudes?

A few examples: Your far-right political movements, especially religious movements, are actively trying to export themselves to Europe, with varying success depending on the specific trend. A large part of corporate culture, as people in EU management still long for an idealized version of what exists in the US. Outside of a few pockets, EU entertainment has more or less completely been wiped out now, so any culture…

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Re: Italian government seeks to penalize the use of English words

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Post by samus »

thesuperbigfrog wrote: post #66
unpopularopp wrote: post #18

Good. Americans are usually not aware of the extent of american cultural imperialism which is basically everywhere, not just in Europe but you can see it very strong here I'm not saying it's bad or good. But I wish we have less Hollywood, less Netflix, less american music, less american videogames, less imported american culture topics etc when actual local music, movies, books, games exist.

>> Americans are usually not aware of the extent of american cultural imperialism which is basically everywhere, not just in Europe but you can see it very strong here I would argue that the US (and perhaps some other English-speaking countries) need more cultural diversity imported from other parts of the world. Many Americans are unaware because they have not traveled outside of the US nor have they studied other l…

That might not help that much. The US is already one of the most popular destination for immigration. Immigrants either assimilate into the wider culture or stay restricted to their enclaves, either social or location-based ones. I can't recall any event in history where immigrants have been able to significantly change the culture of the destination country unless they began to assert political dominance as well.

Re: Italian government seeks to penalize the use of English words

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Post by pb7 »

noncoml wrote: post #103
tluyben2 wrote: post #69

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I don’t care which language it is, but pick one as the official one. English makes sense economically. German cannot happen because the past. Spanish or German or French are all fine, but of course it cannot be agreed on. So English makes it easier as well for that reasons maybe.

Pick Italian. Beautiful language, lots of common words with most languages and I don’t think any non-EU countries use it. And if everything else fails, you start using your hands to communicate. Mid 40s here and wouldn’t mind at all to start learning Italian if it was the common language of EU.

Why pick the language of one of the weakest EU members?

Re: Italian government seeks to penalize the use of English words

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Post by mercurialuser »

mmarq wrote: post #92
raspo wrote: post #58

As an Italian now living abroad, every time I go back I am horrified by the way Italians mis-use all sorts of English words in many contexts of life... One example: "smart-working". At the beginning of the pandemic, when we all started to "work remotely" or "work from home", Italians decided to call it "Smart Working". The first time I heard this term from a relative I was very confused, I thought it was just young p…

It happens in all languages, I’ve never heard people talking about eating “al fresco” before moving to the UK. In theory “smart working” doesn’t mean just working remotely, but it implies flexible working patterns as well. Also, it has been used in British English (even though it didn’t become very popular): https://civilservice.blog.gov.uk/2016/01/21/smart-working-th...

Unfortunately smart is just a name, 90% of smart working contracts are standard wfh with fixed hours
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