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Grand jury votes to indict Donald Trump
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#203Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you have access to the case including evidence? The jury did and voted to indict, how can you be sure that this is legal gymnastics?
> The jury did and voted to indict I honestly wouldn't put any faith in a jury choosing to indict. As famously once said, you can convince a jury to indict a ham sandwich. I'm waiting to see what the charges actually are and the evidence for them. (1985 quote) > In a bid to make prosecutors more accountable for their actions, Chief Judge Sol Wachtler has proposed that the state scrap the grand jury system of bringing…
He later went on to serve prison time after a trial, after a grand jury indictment. Maybe we shouldn't take the ham sandwich's word on its innocence.
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#204To play devil's advocate a little bit. From a structural perspective, it was pretty much impossible for the courts to recruit any jury that wouldn't be biased. Furthermore, the case was in New York, which is a very democratic city. I would be surprised if any jury picked from there wasn't biased and wouldn't have convicted him of any crime the judge put in front of them. To be perfectly clear, I am not a fan of Donal…
Sure, but you can apply this same logic to any other possible decision maker. There are no unbiased juries, judges, political leaders, or anyone else.
Someone still has to make a descision.
In general, I'd say there is huge bias in favor of Trump though. People respect authority and fame to a shocking degree.
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While at face value it looks like this charge is a weird and probably bad use of political capital, with what we do know I don't think Joe Everyman should be getting away with embezzling political campaign donations to pay off strippers.
There's an argument to be made that the charge is weak but definitely not that it's innocuous...
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#206This seems like an obvious call to civil war when we jail an ex-president who is the frontrunner for the next election. Jailing a person who could as likely as not be be supported by a majority of voters for the presidency would probably be the single most anti-democratic act to ever occur in the US. I never thought we could outdo secret trials, but here we are, doing a speedrun into total collapse. I'm just astounde…
In the USA you can still run for president while in prison. And if you're elected President they're going to, at minimum, move you to house arrest at the White House.
Regardless, though, he'd probably remain free until the election. Either because the trial is ongoing, or because of appeals.
Elizabeth Holmes was found guilty in January 2022. Sentenced to prison in 10 months later in November 2022. And is still not yet in prison (because of her pregnancy).
> a largely right-wing military
https://www.statista.com/chart/22761/us-military-voting-inte...
> A new poll published by The Military Times contains bad news for President Trump with his levels of support within the U.S. military waning. Between October 2016 and August 2020, the share of active-service members finding the president favorable has fallen from 46.1 percent to 37.8 percent. With the November election swiftly approaching, 37.4 percent of active-duty troops say they would vote for Donald Trump while 41.3 percent would opt for Joe Biden.
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Genuine question. Do you think the Democratic Party itself is conspiring with the DA to bring these charges? Is it at all possible that Bragg is bringing these charges because Trump broke the law and his former lawyer already went to jail for this exact same crime Given that what he did was at Trump’s direct behest? Ie how would this look different if this wasn’t something that the DNC was trying to orchestrate as a political persecution?
I’m also curious how you’re coloring Muller as something the Democrat’s failed to get him on when it was a Republican special prosecutor assigned by Trump’s own DOJ. What was the involvement of the Democratic Party there?
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#208I do think that presidents should be charged and tried just like anybody else. IMO they should get no special treatment - same laws and process should apply. It does seem like an odd indictment in light of past crimes committed by presidents, so if they are going to go after Trump, they should go after others as well.
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please note that for the future, during the point when the Hunter Biden Laptop thing reaches some kind of courtroom, if ever.
How can it? The fools who handled it bungled every single step. They passed it around, completely destroying any chain of evidence, and started modifying the copies that they made.
The most damning thing on it was homemade porn, effectively making their publishing of it run afoul of revenge porn laws. Other than that, there's one email that can't even be verified that mentions "the big guy" which is meaningless.
The BBC's The Coming Storm podcast did an episode on the subject:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001f4h5
I can't imagine a continual cycle of chasing after ex-Presidents to find something to charge them with would be a good idea
I can't imagine that justice could be a bad thing.
Re: Grand jury votes to indict Donald Trump
#210Hacker News is better without unrelated political news.
Hacker News has been a shitstorm of political news since at least 2010.