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The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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post #189

Its interesting that this cites a "mental illness epidemic" but only seems to cover anxiety/depression. I want statistics on ADHD, PTSD, autism, eating disorders, psychosis, and personality disorders too! If there is a major rise in ED (primarily women) it would explain why there are so many hospitalizations, because EDs are deadly.

Sorry, what is ED in this context?

eating disorder

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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post #189

Its interesting that this cites a "mental illness epidemic" but only seems to cover anxiety/depression. I want statistics on ADHD, PTSD, autism, eating disorders, psychosis, and personality disorders too! If there is a major rise in ED (primarily women) it would explain why there are so many hospitalizations, because EDs are deadly.

Sorry, what is ED in this context?

Eating Disorder.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huge expectations around women “having it all” clashing into economic uncertainty and the revocation of rights.

I'm not trying to be annoying, but I genuinely don't understand what you mean by huge expectations of "having it all" for women (at least insofar as it relates to any trend starting ~2012, when the large growth in depression and self-harm among teen girls seems to have started). The only "revocation of rights" I can think of would be Dobbs - which also does not fit the trend (see my response to the other comment). If…

> I genuinely don't understand what you mean by huge expectations of "having it all" for women

I think the OP meant the whole "lean in" movement. I'm not sure why that would affect teen girls though. Social media and decreased socialization seem like much more plausible factors.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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post #150

I would like to see this conversation turn from "Did phones cause these problems" to "Here's exactly how phones caused these problems". There are many ways to use technology, some better than others. We need literacy in these areas for both parents and children, and things are moving so fast, it's the companies that are getting to write the rules, not the culture. It's time for the culture to push back but we need to…

First though, we need to establish with enough certainty that whatever we are doing with phones is indeed the main culprit. I don't find it hard to believe to be honest, but we need something a bit more solid that this one correlation.

If it is phones, we'd have to have different experiments to investigate different possible methods of action. Is the content being consumed, is it something related to lack of physical interaction, is the anonymity promoting more hostility, etc.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting. I would much rather be a (white liberal) teen girl today than in ~2012, but I can see how insofar as Dobbs is only a manifestation of existing trends, I might be in the minority. It's just hard to wrap my head around what this trend would be, or why teens started picking up on it in 2012. I am not conscious of any major modern debates around women's rights except abortion/birth control, and I see no part…

Note that miscarriages are counted as spontaneous abortions in most medical statistics, which was super confusing to me when I first saw similar data.

Miscarriages are abortions. Often times if the miscarriage happens late enough, a doctor must intervene to assist in the removal of the dead fetus, which is the same medical procedure as one may remove a viable one.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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I recall seeing commentary recently from mental health specialists that noted that young people are increasingly facing a sense of existential dread over climate change - that there's nothing they can do to stop it, and will feel the impact more heavily than previous generations. I wouldn't discount social media and related issues out of hand, but I wouldn't be surprised if that's a contributing factor. I understand…

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Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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(Seemingly) Inevitable climate change and ecological destruction, growing income inequality and falling standards of living, a deathly pandemic that's still killing people while we pretend everything is back to normal (+ long covid probably bringing about a disability crisis in 3-5 years), increasing tensions between various nuclear-capable states (Russia, China) and the West, changes in the age distribution in most western states meaning that most young people will probably work until they die (retirement? lol) etc. etc.

This is a multi-faceted issue and let's face it, part of the problem is that the world is just getting depressing as hell for young people who see less and less of a future for themselves.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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Note that this isn't an unbiased source. This is working with Jon, the co-writer of The Coddling Of The American Mind, which uhhh is not without its critics for inaccuracies and stretching of truth. Check it out: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-coddling-of-the-am...

This is just an ad hominem. Address the content/message, not the speaker.

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Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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The article has a point, but there's no proof for cause & effect. A completely different explanation could be that our societies are so advanced by now that we can finally listen to mental illnesses and take them seriously - while in the past people just had to 'function', no matter what.

To some extent just functioning no matter what is protective against certain mental illnesses. Exhibiting the overt symptoms of a mental illness can sometimes cause the illness to become more severe in a feedback loop. Cognitive behavioral therapy has been proven effective in treating many mental illnesses and works in part by giving patients the mental tools they need to just function.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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post #43

I graduated high school around 2010, before all of these dramatic declines in mental health seem to take place, and even back then I remember there being a lot of unhappy people in my peer group. Maybe a certain % of miserable teenagers is guaranteed due to the nature of puberty (and humans). I hope we find a way to mitigate or reverse the trend these studies are highlighting. Schooling is essential and we can't allo…

My experience is the same, back in the 1990s. There was a ton of depression and even suicides when I was growing up. I felt like 50% of teens at my large HS were suffering from some kind of mental issue. And then you had major events like Columbine. The US school system has always managed to produce a lot of very miserable people, and no one seemed to care or do anything about it. And now we have these studies all bl…

According to the article linked below teen suicide rates declined from 2000 to 2007 and then increased 56% in the following decade. It seems to me the teen suicide rate would serve as a useful heuristic argument in favor of thinking something is amiss. If there is greater mental health awareness today and greater acceptance of getting treatment then this rise is particularly alarming.

I think it is undeniable that that social media is bad for the psyche. I can’t say it is to blame for the current situation but I do believe if it went away we’d all be better off.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/teen-suicide-rate-spi...

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