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Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by fsflover »

nrp wrote: post #165

I’m happy to answer questions that folks have on this. There was also an earlier HN thread on our full launch event where we announced 13th Gen Intel Core and AMD Ryzen 7040 Series versions of the Framework Laptop 13, along with a bunch of other stuff: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35277660

Did you adopt the Purism's naming approach, with numbers used for screen size instead of versions? They have a nice philosophy behind it by the way: https://puri.sm/posts/foreshadowing-why-the-purism-logo-is-a....

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by nrp »

Macha wrote: post #75
column wrote: post #47

why did they butcher the Entry key instead of making the tab key narrower?

The laptop pictured has a US keyboard layout, that's just how the US keyboard layout is. They also have an ISO/most-of-world keyboard layout (with options for qwerty/qwertz/azerty labelling, at least on last gen), as seen on the laptop ad in the footer (assuming the link doesn't get changed from the french site after I post that comment, if it does, just go look up the order form on an EU site)

That is correct, we are making both ANSI and ISO Keyboard Modules for the Framework Laptop 16.

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Post by Qwertious »

eviks wrote: post #154

It's a pity the keyboard design never seriously improves even for the niche laptops. Like, the space to the sides is useless here, but if you could split the keyboard and move that space to to the middle - well, know you've moved one step closer towards more ergonomic typing! Or better yet, you could move all those pinky keys there so that instead of moving your right pinky to hit backspace you'd just move your right…

A lot of laptops need to reserve the space to the side of the keyboards, for their ports - in fact, whenever you see a laptop where the keyboard is kissing the edge of the laptop, it usually has a dire shortage of ports (typically 1 USB port, a charger, a headphone jack, and nothing else).

This makes sense if you realize that it's a choice between keyboard girth and thin-ness; you can either have the keyboard on top of the ports, or you can squish the keyboard to the side and be potentially ~4mm thinner. Or just don't have ports.

I'm starting to think that the future of laptop keyboards is the old thinkpad butterfly design: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRVJCtREW38

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Post by safety1st »

sudosysgen wrote: post #184
dakial1 wrote: post #87

I wonder if there is a market for a framework gaming laptop. Really hope there is. Also, on another note, I've read this engadget article about how other companies tried to build an upgradeable laptop and failed but I see Framework as a different kind of beast for one simple reason. This is their only value proposition, they don't have an alternative. In a very "Innovator's Dilemma" kind of. way, Dell and other big m…

Upgradeability is a huge plus for gaming laptops, and they're likely to get very favourable reviews from PC gaming reviewers, so I think they'll probably be successful!

That's a great point. While laptop makers who are used to the status quo probably aren't going to like this, the competitive gaming scene might like it a lot. A laptop where you can always have the latest greatest graphics card without replacing the whole laptop? You could charge a lot of money for that and it would still make financial sense for a certain type of person. I mean someone out there is buying the latest top of the line Razer Blade every year for like $4K right?

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Post by CarVac »

nrp wrote: post #174
eviks wrote: post #154

It's a pity the keyboard design never seriously improves even for the niche laptops. Like, the space to the sides is useless here, but if you could split the keyboard and move that space to to the middle - well, know you've moved one step closer towards more ergonomic typing! Or better yet, you could move all those pinky keys there so that instead of moving your right pinky to hit backspace you'd just move your right…

We see interesting use cases for the small modules on the left and right as well if you are not some who wants to slide the keyboard to the left and put a numpad on the right. We’re showing a prototype of an LED Matrix that can be used for low res information display, but other things like a row of extra buttons, a narrow LCD, a capacitive slider, and others are possible too. As a sibling comment noted, it is also po…

As I mentioned yesterday, I really hope that it becomes possible to DIY designs, whether with thin-enough modular scissor keys, or by opening the thickness requirements of the keyboard.

Perhaps there could be alternate tall hinges and a thicker bezel filling the gap to make room for discrete keyswitches without sacrificing thickness for normal users?

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by nrp »

delta_p_delta_x wrote: post #67

At a notebook-specific forum I frequent[1], a user has noticed that the Framework 16 modular discrete graphics solution uses a connector first used by Dell in its Precision 7530 and 7730 workstation notebooks, released in 2018. The connector is called 'Dell Graphics Form Factor' (DGFF), and is the array of gold LGA pads on the motherboard seen in the bottom-right screenshot in a photo, at the above link. Dell has bee…

Yes, the interposer connector we use is similar to what Dell used for DGFF. They didn't publish specs or pinouts though, so we developed our own and released them publicly on GitHub: https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/ExpansionBay/tree/main/...

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by beepbooptheory »

cowpig wrote: post #151

What's the battery life going to be for this one? My biggest issue by far with the Framework 13 is that the battery life is really bad (at least with linux). Less than 2 hours of normal use is not really workable. Will this one do better?

That seems very very short... With sway/nixos on a framework I'm getting at least twice that. Although I guess "normal use" is a pretty squishy thing.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by runjake »

afavour wrote: post #112
dakial1 wrote: post #87

I wonder if there is a market for a framework gaming laptop. Really hope there is. Also, on another note, I've read this engadget article about how other companies tried to build an upgradeable laptop and failed but I see Framework as a different kind of beast for one simple reason. This is their only value proposition, they don't have an alternative. In a very "Innovator's Dilemma" kind of. way, Dell and other big m…

I’d be surprised if there was a market for a Framework laptop dedicated to gaming but I am really intrigued by a Framework laptop that can game. I use my laptop for my work software engineering but since the pandemic have gotten back into gaming a little. I’m on an old Xbox and it’s showing its age but I don’t game enough to justify buying a whole gaming PC. If I can plug a GPU into my work machine and play some game…

Apparently there will be, with the 16”.

See this HN comment from the founder: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35289229

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by baylessj »

wjdp wrote: post #136

Modular keyboard and QMK! It's a niche within a niche but would absolutely love an ortholinear option to the keyboard e.g. https://deskthority.net/wiki/Planck Though would like this on a smaller laptop, 14-ish inches seem to be the sweet spot.

QMK support on a laptop's internal keyboard would be fantastic! I've gotten very used to my corne, and switching to using my laptop's keyboard on the rare occasions when I need to is a bit disorienting.
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