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Google releases Bard to a limited number of users in the US and UK

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Re: Google releases Bard to a limited number of users in the US and UK

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Post by Palpatineli »

zeven7 wrote: post #161
ithkuil wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But AI is their turf! Google was always a ML company masquerading as a search engine. I guess that the art of "generating text" is not their kind of AI?

Right, my expectation was they had something better than OpenAI they were sitting on and afraid to release / didn't know how to make money with it and were essentially forced to show what they had once Chat GPT became a threat to search. I assume it's still possible they have something better and this is the nuked version that's "safe", but there's a reason for expectations to be high for Google here, and it really n…

I mean they may have a better base model but if there is no business case, there is no resource to do RLHF with mass human labeling.

Re: Google releases Bard to a limited number of users in the US and UK

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Post by RobinL »

valine wrote: post #191

From the FAQ: "Can Bard help with coding? Bard can’t help you with coding just yet. Bard is still learning to code, and responses about code aren’t officially supported for now." So what exactly has the AI team at google been doing?

I wonder whether this is because unlike openai they don't have access to all of the code on Github, or aren't sure they're (legally) allowed to use it. Does anyone know the details?

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Post by cubefox »

haolez wrote: post #122
lvl102 wrote: post #115

I don’t think it’s good. ChatGPT is clearly better but that too is not that great. We are still a couple more iterations away. I also wonder if Google is at disadvantage because they’re not utilizing Nvidia hardwares? Or not to the extent OpenAI does?

The difference is probably related to RLHF. It seems to matter a lot more than the size of the model and the hardware's capabilities. And OpenAI probably excels at that.

Bing uses GPT-4 with their own fine-tuning, and they had to put some artificial restrictions in place in order for the model not "misbehave". Apparently they don't use RLHF but some combination of SL and prompting. OpenAI didn't have such problems.

Re: Google releases Bard to a limited number of users in the US and UK

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Post by kevincox »

tsejerome97 wrote: post #196
akulbe wrote: post #181

BAH. "This Google Account isn’t supported" "Bard does not currently support Google Workspace accounts or when our systems indicate you may be under 18." Smooth move, Google. PAYING Workspace customers should be the first ones to get access. This blows my mind. Oh wait, no… it doesn't. They did this with other devices and apps too. You couldn't use your Workspace account. You had to use a personal account. Really dumb…

prolly some legal stuff

This is the reason. The Google Workspace agreements has strong promises about how you data is used. IIRC there is a section about not using your data to improve the service for others. So this means that they would be unable to train the model with data from workspace users (other than fine-tuning which is only used by that specific account). For MVP they don't have the correct labeling and filtering in place to be sure that they aren't using Workspace data in a way that isn't allowed so they take the easy route and disable the service. This is the reason why many Google features and services are not available or are missing features for Workspace accounts.

Of course it would be nice to be able to opt-in either globally or by service and accept that these interactions are not protected with the usual data rules. But this takes even more effort and legal work to implement, so no one has bothered.

Re: Google releases Bard to a limited number of users in the US and UK

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Post by skilled »

Ok, anyone who has access to Bard, can you tell me how it handles product reviews and recommendations? Does it actually do it like ChatGPT?

What I mean is that, is Google about to take a dump on people who've spent years writing reviews only to have their chat app do it directly from their interface?

If that is the case, a lot of people are about to go out of business.

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Post by htrp »

flabbergasted wrote: post #173

Does anyone know what is the "knowledge horizon" cutoff date for Bard's training data? The cutoff date for ChatGPT's "knowledge" is referred to as the "knowledge horizon" or the "knowledge cutoff date", and in the case of ChatGPT it's September 2021.

per Bard

>The Bard knowledge horizon is not a fixed point. It is constantly shifting as I learn new things. I am always working to improve my knowledge base, and I hope that one day I will be able to answer any question you ask me.

It's because they're constantly pulling in google's search results into the output (kind of similar to the bingGPT offering from microsoft).

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Post by cubefox »

nicpottier wrote: post #197
famouswaffles wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bard is smaller lambda model than the best one that have

source?

"We’re releasing it initially with our lightweight model version of LaMDA. This much smaller model requires significantly less computing power, enabling us to scale to more users, allowing for more feedback." https://blog.google/technology/ai/bard-google-ai-search-upda...

Re: Google releases Bard to a limited number of users in the US and UK

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Post by cmsj »

tsejerome97 wrote: post #196
akulbe wrote: post #181

BAH. "This Google Account isn’t supported" "Bard does not currently support Google Workspace accounts or when our systems indicate you may be under 18." Smooth move, Google. PAYING Workspace customers should be the first ones to get access. This blows my mind. Oh wait, no… it doesn't. They did this with other devices and apps too. You couldn't use your Workspace account. You had to use a personal account. Really dumb…

prolly some legal stuff

A Googler explained it to me once - it's something like as if the Workspace accounts are on a completely different instance of Google, and supporting both in an app is surprisingly hard.

Still, after all this time the geniuses at Google kinda ought to have solved this :)

Re: Google releases Bard to a limited number of users in the US and UK

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Post by valine »

RobinL wrote: post #202
valine wrote: post #191

From the FAQ: "Can Bard help with coding? Bard can’t help you with coding just yet. Bard is still learning to code, and responses about code aren’t officially supported for now." So what exactly has the AI team at google been doing?

I wonder whether this is because unlike openai they don't have access to all of the code on Github, or aren't sure they're (legally) allowed to use it. Does anyone know the details?

They should train it on the monorepo
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