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Re: GPT-4 is phenomenal at Code

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Post by sublinear »

beepbooptheory wrote: post #59

Honestly at this point I am just looking forward to us taking this stuff for granted. Its all very nice and useful, but I think my threshold for guffawing at it is smaller than most. I know we still got some time left in the cycle, but I just want people to calm down and just start using it. Yes, cool, you did xyz all at once, but what did you make with it? It's kinda akin to the whole "using rust" phenomenon. I only…

> personally I am looking forward to the inevitable future where how you made the thing stops being as or more important as the what

Believe it or not, there's plenty of software out there written towards well-defined specifications that are non-negotiable and beyond the mere impression of some result. Implementation details absolutely matter. These specifications are of course subject to change, but not arbitrary. Due to this inflexibility and continuous review of best practices done by experienced humans who are consciously and deliberately creating these standards, I doubt the "how" will ever take a back seat to the "what". Pretty much all modern industry apart from gimmicky consumer gizmos are existentially about the "how". Taking humans out of the equation doesn't even make sense and any attempt to do so would be objectively worse in every way.

Re: GPT-4 is phenomenal at Code

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Post by beepbooptheory »

sublinear wrote: post #201
beepbooptheory wrote: post #59

Honestly at this point I am just looking forward to us taking this stuff for granted. Its all very nice and useful, but I think my threshold for guffawing at it is smaller than most. I know we still got some time left in the cycle, but I just want people to calm down and just start using it. Yes, cool, you did xyz all at once, but what did you make with it? It's kinda akin to the whole "using rust" phenomenon. I only…

> personally I am looking forward to the inevitable future where how you made the thing stops being as or more important as the what Believe it or not, there's plenty of software out there written towards well-defined specifications that are non-negotiable and beyond the mere impression of some result. Implementation details absolutely matter. These specifications are of course subject to change, but not arbitrary. D…

I think this is all true, but also I think very much missing my point here.. If only for the fact that you delineate a very good reason why this stuff is not going to be a one-to-one replacement for a lot of software work. Definitely agree there. We are very far if not ever divorced from the time where we can truly feel safe taking a nap behind the wheel. And yes, the 'how' work in that sense will always be primary.

I'm just addressing the hype itself, even conceding to it, and saying "ok, if its so great, what can we do with it?" That's the 'what'.

Re: GPT-4 is phenomenal at Code

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Post by sublinear »

gonzo41 wrote: post #178
RGamma wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pre-industrialisation: 80% of population are farmers Post-industrialisation: There's going to be a big squeeze in the field (pun not intended).

This will destroy the boiler plate industry. So bye javascript, it's not been nice. What will stay, is human level systems engineering, Running things, designing etc. And for a very long time, you're going to have to check AI's work. Anyway, I don't think it'll be nuclear bomb devastating to this industry, but it should give us all pause and make sure we get skills to compliment coding.

> So bye javascript, it's not been nice.

I don't think frontend development is any less complex than systems engineering.

> What will stay, is human level systems engineering, Running things, designing etc

In fact I think it might be the other way around.

I'd expect systems to be slower to change and subject to their own hard dependencies on consistency. That makes them easier for a language model to imitate.

I'd expect frontend dev to move faster and subject to a never ending churn of non-technical wants from sales and marketing. The huge amount of boilerplate is an attempt to handle the few patterns that exist in an otherwise very sparse space where one design is miles away from another and much glue is required to accomplish the task. Messiness here is not due to inherent complexity, but apparent complexity since things are never allowed to converge onto something more coherent.

Re: GPT-4 is phenomenal at Code

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Post by dougmwne »

kamaal wrote: post #196
dougmwne wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it can actually do all those things reasonably well. I’d like to start getting meeting summaries that tell me my action items based on a transcript. And it can generate infinite boot-licking butt kissing if you just ask it. Generate and click send to your boss!

>>I think it can actually do all those things reasonably well. I don't you get it. Or even AI gets it. Having pet slaves is a very different feeling. It is not about getting work done. It is about the feeling of power, control. To both create and destroy. GPT won't be a problem for the same reason why programming itself never automated programmers out of jobs. The current state of programming is already good enough t…

This is actually an excellent point. Also why I think we will eventually all be back in the open office, even though I enjoy working in my pajamas.

Re: GPT-4 is phenomenal at Code

#205

Post by [deleted] »

dougmwne wrote: post #204
kamaal wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>I think it can actually do all those things reasonably well. I don't you get it. Or even AI gets it. Having pet slaves is a very different feeling. It is not about getting work done. It is about the feeling of power, control. To both create and destroy. GPT won't be a problem for the same reason why programming itself never automated programmers out of jobs. The current state of programming is already good enough t…

This is actually an excellent point. Also why I think we will eventually all be back in the open office, even though I enjoy working in my pajamas.

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Re: GPT-4 is phenomenal at Code

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Post by [deleted] »

1attice wrote: post #194
dragonwriter wrote: post #193

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> What you are likely looking at is a classic hockey-stick exponential graph. And there is no ceiling yet in sight. Its a pretty ironclad rule that all growth charts that look exponential are really closer to logistic and seem like they are going to go up more rapidly forever until they suddenly flatten out.

Fine, but you missed the second sentence that you quoted. There is no ceiling in sight, so we have no way of knowing how high this curve is likely to go. For now, it approximates exponential. That's bad.

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Re: GPT-4 is phenomenal at Code

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Post by nottathrowaway3 »

dougmwne wrote: post #204
kamaal wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>I think it can actually do all those things reasonably well. I don't you get it. Or even AI gets it. Having pet slaves is a very different feeling. It is not about getting work done. It is about the feeling of power, control. To both create and destroy. GPT won't be a problem for the same reason why programming itself never automated programmers out of jobs. The current state of programming is already good enough t…

This is actually an excellent point. Also why I think we will eventually all be back in the open office, even though I enjoy working in my pajamas.

Unless the decision-maker is short or otherwise unattractive. For some managers' egos, fully remote work was the best thing to happen to them.

If RTO happens, such people will go back to constantly getting mogged by their subordinates again.

Re: GPT-4 is phenomenal at Code

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Post by Jensson »

1attice wrote: post #190
prcrstntr wrote: post #122

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But it will have zero credibility, so no.

It will absolutely have great credibility. Did you read any of the code samples in the GH repo linked by OP? Here's the algorithm to get you appropriately scared. - Measure the amount of time it took to go from GPT 2 to GPT 3 - Measure the amount of time it took to go from GPT 3 to GPT 4 - Measure the code quality improvement for the same spans. Go ahead. Pick a metric. You'll notice that, not only is GPT-4 really fs…

> - Measure the amount of time it took to go from GPT 2 to GPT 3

1 year.

> - Measure the amount of time it took to go from GPT 3 to GPT 4

3 years.

> it represents a year-over-year improvement that is accelerating.

I don't see how the above shows it is accelerating.

Re: GPT-4 is phenomenal at Code

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Post by nasmorn »

nottathrowaway3 wrote: post #207
dougmwne wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is actually an excellent point. Also why I think we will eventually all be back in the open office, even though I enjoy working in my pajamas.

Unless the decision-maker is short or otherwise unattractive. For some managers' egos, fully remote work was the best thing to happen to them. If RTO happens, such people will go back to constantly getting mogged by their subordinates again.

Ugly short boss will from now on be my proxy for stable WFH situation

Re: GPT-4 is phenomenal at Code

#210

Post by euroderf »

jabloczko wrote: post #131

What I've noted is that GPT is really good at things that have really good documentation. The example of kube-tf in this repo is a perfect example. The Kubernetes documentation and all of Hashicorp's documentation is excellent. GPT will have infinite examples of good code to stitch together code for the task in this example. Now I've been running a private cloud at work on the OpenNebula platform, which has documenta…

> What I've noted is that GPT is really good at things that have really good documentation.

As a technical communicator, I interpret this to mean that yes, we are all going to die at the hands of GPT-13.

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