I wonder how it would work for learning languages very different from English, e.g. Chinese or Arabic. From what I know, GPT-3 isn't very good with them.
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> You make a new product, you charge for it, you advertise it. What's the big issue? The issue is: from beginning on and for a long time Duolingo advertised with "Learn a language for free. Forever." :-(
You can still learn a language for free with Duo Lingo.
No. I got duped into that too. After a few sessions they required payment.
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You can still learn a language for free with Duo Lingo.
No. I got duped into that too. After a few sessions they required payment.
I never had to pay for Duolingo. I decided to pay because I wanted to. It's legitimately teaching me a new language and I'm pretty happy with it.
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#206I have severely mixed feelings about Duolingo. I can't imagine paying more than I already do for the "Super" option. If you're trying to learn Spanish or French, it seems like a pretty full-featured app. Unfortunately, I'm trying to learn Greek and every aspect of it is sub-par compared to other languages. It doesn't even read you questions correctly. (It uses flat intonation as if it's saying a statement.) There are…
Not relevant to the discussion but possibly for you: I discovered this 100% free no-signup audio-only course for Greek through a previous HN post. Amazing approach (like Michel Thomas but more charming and modern and free!): https://www.languagetransfer.org/about Of all the language apps I used Duolingo has by far been the least useful. I've spent hundreds of hours but took barely anything away (for FR, ES) If you mu…
Thanks! I read about it previously on HN, but haven’t had a chance to check it out. I’m going to do that now. For what it’s worth, I have learned stuff with Duolingo, but it could be so much more (for me) if they’d get feature parity with some of the other languages. I get that Greek probably doesn’t have a lot of people trying to learn it, but it’s sad.
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#207I have severely mixed feelings about Duolingo. I can't imagine paying more than I already do for the "Super" option. If you're trying to learn Spanish or French, it seems like a pretty full-featured app. Unfortunately, I'm trying to learn Greek and every aspect of it is sub-par compared to other languages. It doesn't even read you questions correctly. (It uses flat intonation as if it's saying a statement.) There are…
You shoud google for duolingo grammar notes. You'll find some for every course I imagine. The same people who originally created those courses made unofficial wikia or other pages and populate unofficial discords. You just have to know to look for them...
I don’t understand. Why aren’t the notes in the app? I can already search for language information on the web. But I’d prefer it was just in the language learning app I’m using already.
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LLM outputs in Standard Chinese are fluent and coherent but the grammar style and choice of words are clearly non-native. I think the source training material just isn't as comprehensive as English, and contemporary Chinese Internet is packed full of latin abbreviations and obscure homophones/wordplay due to its evolution under severe censorship.
Awesome observation re: censorship. Last I looked into training sets, Chinese and English were the frontrunners by far in available corpus size, and benefit from a certain amount of government-enforced-homogeneity (a standard mode is taught in compulsory education). Arabic is safe from automation due to its limited exposure to the open web and extreme variability of dialects, and Icelandic will remain obscure due to…
Arabic is also often written in the so-called Arabic chat alphabet / Arabizi online, so a lot of Arabic text available on the internet looks less like حروف عربية and more like “7ruf 3rabiye”.