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Re: Domain registrar Gandi gets bought out, removes free mailboxes

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Could you disclose what B is? Pretty much please?

DNS Made Easy - perhaps too costly now, and not the best, but I use them since 10 years and had no issue with them. But might be oversized, I've started to use them for a startup b/c they had failover to point to another load balancer if one balancer/data center is down.

I've been using ZoneEdit for years, and they have a limited free tier. It's been great for my admittedly tiny use cases.

Re: Domain registrar Gandi gets bought out, removes free mailboxes

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> I've purchased domains from Gandi, pre-paying for multiple years of service such that some domains I have don't need renewing until 2027. Just in case you did not know: if you transfer to a different registrar, you will not lose the extra years of registration. You can confirm the expected expiration date of 2027 at lookup.icann.org.

> if you transfer to a different registrar, you will not lose the extra years of registration I did not know that. But how do you do it? And where to find a list of reputable registrars (which seems the rarest of species)?

As a long time customer, I would recommend Namecheap. I was trying out Gandi since a couple months. On the bright side, they have a lot of additional international TLDs, but that's about it. Gandi has been noticeably more expensive when comparing equivalent domains.

Re: Domain registrar Gandi gets bought out, removes free mailboxes

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As some comments have mentioned the pricing will increase for domain names too, not very explicit in their email on Tuesday evening "Gandi.net - Update":

  Domains

  We remain committed to offering you the largest portfolio of TLDs,
  customized TLD suggestions and best-in-class anycast-level primary
  DNS servers. In addition, we will step-up our effort to unburden you
  by introducing new managed features: 

    Advanced and easy to use account security
    Proactive notifications on changes and important events
    Better rights management
    Easier domain transfers with continuity of service
    Best-in-class anycast-level secondary DNS servers

  You can find the associated new pricing for your domains here[0].
Renewing a .com at these new prices is now £24 per year inclusive of tax and .uk domains £12.

Annoyingly my previous registrar raised prices last year and I thought that, hey, I'll pay a few quid extra and support Gandi as they generally have a decent reputation. Now with this move I'm the fool!

Like others in this thread I've moved to Porkbun, the .com renewals are now about £8.50 and .uk about £5.50 which is much more reasonable and much closer to their cost price.

I'd like my registrar to make a reasonable amount of profit to make staying in business worthwhile but that doesn't make sense when the registrar wants to double or triple the pricing for their bottom line.

Shame, but there we go.

[0] https://www.gandi.net/static/documents/2023-march-gbp-renew-...

Re: Domain registrar Gandi gets bought out, removes free mailboxes

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> when I think of "contract" today, I immediately think "weapon used by a company to beat up a consumer" This view is unsupported by the facts in all competent jurisdictions. It’s a convenient one, however, for certain people to spread.

One of the first things you learn about in contract law after the elements of contract formation is the idea of unconscionability, but it's often construed by courts in such narrow terms that consumers who are pressured or tricked into handing over their money have little recourse. https://californialawreview.org/print/unconscionability-as-a...

"We can change these terms at any time, and your agreement is indicated by your continuing to exist. Also if we violate these terms you can't actually take us to court but we'll pay our buddy Arby to decide if you have a valid point"

From a non-professional prospective, one of the problems with unconscionability is that even terms that are blatantly opposite to prevailing law are highly misleading. This further disenfranchises individuals from the legal system, obscuring our rights even further. I'd personally like to see blatant examples of such start getting policed as something akin to giving improper legal advice.

Re: Domain registrar Gandi gets bought out, removes free mailboxes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the first things you learn about in contract law after the elements of contract formation is the idea of unconscionability, but it's often construed by courts in such narrow terms that consumers who are pressured or tricked into handing over their money have little recourse. https://californialawreview.org/print/unconscionability-as-a...

"We can change these terms at any time, and your agreement is indicated by your continuing to exist. Also if we violate these terms you can't actually take us to court but we'll pay our buddy Arby to decide if you have a valid point" From a non-professional prospective, one of the problems with unconscionability is that even terms that are blatantly opposite to prevailing law are highly misleading. This further disen…

Not a lawyer, but Gandi is based in France, and I don’t think they recognize mandatory arbitration (or choice of law) clauses in consumer contracts there.

Re: Domain registrar Gandi gets bought out, removes free mailboxes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"We can change these terms at any time, and your agreement is indicated by your continuing to exist. Also if we violate these terms you can't actually take us to court but we'll pay our buddy Arby to decide if you have a valid point" From a non-professional prospective, one of the problems with unconscionability is that even terms that are blatantly opposite to prevailing law are highly misleading. This further disen…

Not a lawyer, but Gandi is based in France, and I don’t think they recognize mandatory arbitration (or choice of law) clauses in consumer contracts there.

Yeah, I was making a general point. I used to use Gandi some time ago. I forget why I drifted away from them. I think I only had one domain there, which I then let lapse rather than renewing. Given what I remember of their rep I'm surprised about this news, but I guess that's the constant churn of "creative" destruction. Enjoy the reasonable vendors you've figured out this year, because next year your own reliance will be an asset to be sold and arbitraged away.

Re: Domain registrar Gandi gets bought out, removes free mailboxes

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It sound like they’re hosting at the same place (gandi) where they registered the domain. This is absolutely never recommended, for security purposes. If someone gains access to your hosting account you’ll likely lose all your domain names. Transfer the domains over to a better more secure registrar. Then set up a server or vps and set up as many mailboxes or emails that you need.

I personally prefer keeping domain registrar separate from dns host separate from server host, and probably email host separate from the others, too, but on the other hand, you now have several different vendors that can ruin your day.

Using bundled services from your domain registrar is especially problematic though, because when you switch registrars, you usually lose those bundled services, even though you already paid for them. Often, there's similar services available at the new registrar, but there's a cost to switch, and it's much more difficult to switch because the service provisioning is often tied to the domain process; service at registrar B won't be online until the domain is moved, and service at registrar A may be turned off immediately after the domain is moved, so you have no way to make an orderly transition.

Re: Domain registrar Gandi gets bought out, removes free mailboxes

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The submitted title was "Domain registrar Gandi gets bought out, screws existing customers". The latter bit is linkbait so I've edited it (as the site guidelines request - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html). But I realize the OP isn't just complaining about price increases, so if someone can suggest a more accurate and neutral title, we can change it again.

Re: Domain registrar Gandi gets bought out, removes free mailboxes

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post #193
post #154

> I've purchased domains from Gandi, pre-paying for multiple years of service such that some domains I have don't need renewing until 2027. Just in case you did not know: if you transfer to a different registrar, you will not lose the extra years of registration. You can confirm the expected expiration date of 2027 at lookup.icann.org.

> if you transfer to a different registrar, you will not lose the extra years of registration I did not know that. But how do you do it? And where to find a list of reputable registrars (which seems the rarest of species)?

Google Domains has yet to cause me angst
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