This nonsense gets voted up? Why cater to Google bashers, because that's all the author is doing.
Larry Page to Googlers: If You Don’t Get SPYW, Work Somewhere Else
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Re: Larry Page to Googlers: If You Don’t Get SPYW, Work Somewhere Else
#202Guys, unless you're actually a player, save yourself the headache and don't get caught up in this little valley tiff. I think SPYW is dumb, but google is trying something to improve search results, it happens to use data that they have on the user. I don't think they need permission from everyone in the valley with a sign-in service they can't crawl before they're allowed to make changes that are meant to improve sea…
“Most portals show their own content above content elsewhere on the web. We feel that’s a conflict of interest, analogous to taking money for search results. Their search engine doesn’t necessarily provide the best results; it provides the portal’s results. Google conscientiously tries to stay away from that. We want to get you out of Google and to the right place as fast as possible. It’s a very different model.” -L…
I think it is different to show 'the portal results' and to show 'also my social results'.
That's a crucial distinction.
Re: Larry Page to Googlers: If You Don’t Get SPYW, Work Somewhere Else
#203Am I the only one that thinks SPYW is the right direction? We have seen that rankings were increasingly being gamed. Algorithmic search is a never ending arms race. SPYW aligns with what google has been trying to do for a while, provide results that are relevant and worthwhile to the user. If my mom searches for digital cameras , she would rather have a link to something written on G+ by someone in her circle than a…
Ideally wouldn't it find the best result? G+ and farm.* seem equally likely to be poor. I did an image search for something like Empire State Building and my G+ results showed first. The results sucked.
So, Google got scared about the possibility of a 'Facebook Web Search' for nothing?
Re: Larry Page to Googlers: If You Don’t Get SPYW, Work Somewhere Else
#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
However... artificially ranking their own links, ranking that isn't objective, is deadly to the utility of their search, and to their brand. In the past, google products have seemed to rank highly, but google claimed this was their natural rank. What is the evidence against them now? I think the notion of objectivity in search is a fallacy, and I would hesitate to characterize the addition of social search as artific…
Yes, I agree that social search can improve accuracy, and that google knows more about its own social information so it can use it more accurately. Artificially inflating that, for the purpose of pushing their product, is the problem (that's how I'd define "artificial ranking" - ranking on a basis other than returning a page of search results for the user). This avoids the problematic term "objective". I don't buy th…
I am not sure about the "antitrust litigation" claim you make. Nobody is forcing anyone to use Google. There are tons of old search engines and new ones coming up every year. This is very different than having a computer where Windows is installed by default, instead of having the choice of your OS.
It's like saying Facebook is also "abusing its market power" because it only shows you contacts on Facebook and not on Google+. Sorry, but this cannot work this way, when you are on one network, you agree with the principles of that network, or you use another. There's no lack of options out there.
Re: Larry Page to Googlers: If You Don’t Get SPYW, Work Somewhere Else
#205Hey guys, should I know what spyw is? The article doesnt see, to say.
It is in the article : Search Plus Your World.
It doesn't explicitly say so though
Re: Larry Page to Googlers: If You Don’t Get SPYW, Work Somewhere Else
#206Earlier quoted context omitted.
I assume it's Steve Jobs , not Balmer . (edit) Why am I at -1? Balmer is a more reasonable match for Bill, but he is not a founder. Jobs is a better fit, but it is odd to see him paired with Gates.
It would make no sense at all for Steve Jobs in the pre-iPod era.
Pre-iPod time? Apple ][, Mac, NeXT.
Re: Larry Page to Googlers: If You Don’t Get SPYW, Work Somewhere Else
#207Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your comment is very confusing to me. If it's a public API, why would Google have to return anything? And Google's proposition to all web sites everywhere is that in exchange for indexing their content, they provide exposure through the best search engine and the main interface to the web for most people. This is also what FB and Twitter are complaining about: that they aren't receiving proper exposure. It seems like…
search for mark zuckerberg in google. Which is the first social network page that shows up in the search ranking(ranked by google based on publicly available data and its own click-thru data). Why dont they just show that page rather than the google-plus page, whose rank is probably so low it doesn't even show up in the organic search first 10 pages... I'm saying that the kind of click-thru data that google is asking…
I'm saying it's fine for Twitter and FB to withhold that data. But they can't then complain about not being ranked fairly. Conversely, Google started off complaining about not getting access to FB and Twitter data. Then they shut up and made a competing product. FB and Twitter are free to do the same, but I think what Google has just showed is that it's a lot easier for Google to make a compelling social network than it is for FB or Twitter to make a compelling search engine. They're complaining because they're scared, and, quite frankly, they should be.
I honestly don't really see the downside to them opening their data to Google, though. They were in a better position before Google started G+. Google didn't want to make a social network. They just wanted the data. They had the open social initiative and were trying to make social networks interoperable, but FB and Twitter resisted. They sort of forced Google into the position of competing directly with them. Now they're complaining about it.
What really confuses me is what was the downside to them opening up to Google? (Esp. Twitter, who actually had a deal where they were getting paid for access to the firehose.) Google wasn't competing with them directly. In fact, Google was in a position to direct a lot of traffic to them.
The only thing I can imagine is that both FB and Twitter thought they were going to be able to obviate search and tried aggressively for that. I don't know why they thought Google would sit still for that, though.
Re: Larry Page to Googlers: If You Don’t Get SPYW, Work Somewhere Else
#208Earlier quoted context omitted.
I just checked on Bing and it's in the description of the second result, from a Jan 13th article. http://www.bing.com/search?q=SPYW > Jan 13, 2012 · Summary: Google’s Search Plus Your World (SPYW) announcement has ruffled some feathers. Both Facebook and Twitter have reacted ... I've been banging the "Bing needs to do so much better to make even a tiny dent" drum for a while now, but they've made strides in the past…
Just to show what I see when I search Bing versus Google: http://i.imgur.com/b3Oig.png I didn't find a relevant result at all (I searched the first 3 pages - didn't bother going further). Bing may be improving - I hear Bing Maps is pretty good - but the search is not even close.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=SPYW
Looks the same as it did for me a few hours ago when I searched on it, and duck duck go uses bing search.
I see definitions in the extracts at #4, #6, #7, #8 and #10. It's hard to believe half of the top ten changed in the last 3 hours.
EDIT: I do agree that bing's results are slightly-somewhat below google's as I do redo a search in google maybe 5% or 10% of the time, but from the point of view of someone who uses them every day they are pretty close for most things.
Re: Larry Page to Googlers: If You Don’t Get SPYW, Work Somewhere Else
#209Earlier quoted context omitted.
Twitter and Foursquare are fairly prominent examples, though in both cases the founders were people who became Google employees when their previous startups were acquired. Among startups we've funded, I know at least Greplin, Optimizely, Appjet, and ReMail have/had founders who previously worked at Google. I'm sure there are at least that many more, but I don't remember where most of the people we funded worked befor…
Hrm. AppJet and ReMail were both acquired by Google though. Greplin and Optimizely Googlers both had years at other companies between Google and the founding their companies. I guess Biz Stone came directly from Google to found Twitter. Given Google's size and the quality of the people who go in there, I'd have expected dozens if not hundreds of companies to be spawned by ex-Googlers. I often wonder if certain compan…
I don't know so much about Google employees, but what defines usually the capability of good entrepreneurs is that they are pied off with something in their environment, and have the will, leadership and capability to change things for the better.
Google may have very good technical people, i.e. they are capable, but I am not sure how they would fare as "leaders", "influencers", etc... it's also a company culture thing. If your company does not promote that kind of behavior, it is very unlikely you will see people stepping out to try things on their own. And if Google is successful at making their employees happy in some way or another, that also puts the barrier of leaving Google to a much higher point.
Re: Larry Page to Googlers: If You Don’t Get SPYW, Work Somewhere Else
#210I think duckduckgo works like google should.
That's why I changed , and will never go back.