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Re: Signal would 'walk' from UK if Online Safety Bill undermined encryption

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Post by _8j50 » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 2:29 PM UTC

computerfriend wrote: post #197

_8j50 wrote: post #42

I will say it again, something has got to give. You can't have humane treatment of child rapists and fear government overreach. It is in fact possible to backdoor communication systems for lawful intercept access. It is possible to also design public auditing of such systems so that a warrant or lawful order being used to intercept communications can be logged and audited by the public. Warrants are not forever secre…

> you have no say in what a foreign government does in their own jurisdiction. This is a disgraceful, anti-intellectual attitude.

So you were being an intellectual when supporting undermining of a sovreign nation's abilitu to self-determine their fate? Look at the mirror.

Re: Signal would 'walk' from UK if Online Safety Bill undermined encryption

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Post by rakoo » Sun, Feb 26, 2023, 10:10 AM UTC

Arathorn wrote: post #59

cnity wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a question: what does it mean for the _users_ of messaging applications? If the OSB passes am I still within my rights to PGP encrypt my messages before sending them?

In the current wording: yes, you can go encrypt your messages with PGP before sending them. However, the worst-case scenario is that Ofcom would then say to Apple and Google: "Hey, you are communication service providers (thanks to iMessage and Google Messages/Chat/etc). We believe you are failing to adequately block illegal content. Therefore we legally require you to perform content moderation. And given you also p…

Also if I understand correctly it would be illegal to build and distribute gpg without the scanning bit

Re: Signal would 'walk' from UK if Online Safety Bill undermined encryption

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Post by brokenmachine » Mon, Feb 27, 2023, 4:46 AM UTC

As someone who doesn't have children, I am appalled that there is no mandatory government surveillance in every home that contains a child.

We must protect those children!

Anyone against such reasonable child safety measures must have something to hide.

Re: Signal would 'walk' from UK if Online Safety Bill undermined encryption

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Post by crtasm » Mon, Feb 27, 2023, 8:52 PM UTC

wonderwonder wrote: post #195

crtasm wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please spare us the appeals to emotion. The context here is owning something to provide "effective self defense" - so where do we draw the line? Can I decide that only owning a gun is not enough against the other gun owners so I need something more effective? GP's claim is this right justifies owning a weapon that can easily kill. That's far beyond "effective" in my view.

Sorry, I think having to watch my family get killed by someone because I am unable to defend them would be pretty emotional. I think that's the definition of effective. Someone breaks into my home high on pcp, the most effective way to stop them hurting my family is killing them. Is that not a true statement? What is a more effective way to do it, knowing that failure potentially means the death of your kids? I'm not…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion

Re: Signal would 'walk' from UK if Online Safety Bill undermined encryption

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Post by BlackLotus89 » Thu, Mar 02, 2023, 11:38 AM UTC

tptacek wrote: post #169

BlackLotus89 wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on your use case. Signal has the largest user base. * Matrix (you don't have to selfhost) is ok. Consider not using matrix.org (it's "decentralized" for a reason) * Quicksy is nice but has no userbase at all. * Threema, but look at https://breakingthe3ma.app/ first and https://threema.ch/en/blog/posts/news-alleged-weaknesses-sta... and https://soatok.blog/2021/11/05/threema-three-strikes-youre-o... * Wire htt…

Last I checked, and it's been awhile, Wire is not only centralized, but also keeps contact lists online --- in other words, they've kept an SQL database of who's talking to whom across their whole service, serverside. If that's changed (or if someone wants to point out that I'm wrong about that, which is always possible), I'd appreciate the update.

AFAIK that's still the case. Who messages who is saved with matrix as well though. This shouldn't be a comprehensive list of what's better than signal only a list of everything available in the space. Imho everything in the list is better than telegram and whatsapp, but depending on your use case nothing is good enough and you must fall back to briar or something similar.