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Re: Microsoft is forcibly removing internet explorer from PCs

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Post by jamesfinlayson »

rbanffy wrote: post #100
horsawlarway wrote: post #60

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This is a very strange comment. Personally... I absolutely understand exactly how they ended up in this situation. There are actually several good reasons to embed the browser into the OS, the top two easily understood ones are... --- 1. They've put a lot of work into the browser, and they've shared many components of it with other tooling. EX: Internet EXPLORER and EXPLORER the file system browser don't share their…

> several good reasons to embed the browser into the OS It was actually a great feature (memory may be failing at this point), and it seemed like the filesystem viewer was IE presenting a filesystem view. If you typed an http or https URL, the window would turn into an HTML renderer window. This made it possible to build their mail and newsgroup reader apps as filesystem views. Mail was nothing but a folder full of e…

Yes sounds right - I remember in the deep dark past somehow getting Steam to show the contents of C:\Program Files\ in the Store window. This was obviously back when Steam was Windows only and before it used embedded Chrome.

Re: Microsoft is forcibly removing internet explorer from PCs

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Post by alwaysanon »

This feels like when a mining company has to remediate/recreclamate their mine(s) at the end of their useful life rather than leave them there to cause people problems in the future.

IE11 has long since needed to die and I am glad that MS is doing the right thing for the world and cleaning up the mess on its way out!

Re: Microsoft is forcibly removing internet explorer from PCs

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Post by seanhunter »

midoridensha wrote: post #194
908B64B197 wrote: post #168

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> and for reasons only known to microsoft, this software is no longer able to run on modern windows. The reason is most likely... because the driver relies on APIs that were insecure and removed in the XP-Vista transition! > The vendor for the instrument has no incentive to update that software either; they'd rather you dish out another half million dollars for a new sorter. > There are hundreds of instruments like t…

>Would a binary compiled 20 years ago even have a remote chance of running on Linux? Yes. As long as it includes all its dependencies, it should work because the kernel never deprecates system calls.

It depends on which 20 years you’re talking about. Some of us here have been using Linux long enough to remember the change in the late 90s to use elf format. I don’t think a Linux from after the change can run anything from before.

Re: Microsoft is forcibly removing internet explorer from PCs

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Post by rbanffy »

cld8483 wrote: post #113
rbanffy wrote: post #100

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> several good reasons to embed the browser into the OS It was actually a great feature (memory may be failing at this point), and it seemed like the filesystem viewer was IE presenting a filesystem view. If you typed an http or https URL, the window would turn into an HTML renderer window. This made it possible to build their mail and newsgroup reader apps as filesystem views. Mail was nothing but a folder full of e…

> I would love if Gnome would allow pluggable views in Files This is essentially what Gvfs is for except basically nobody uses it, at least in the ways you describe, because forcing non-FS things into the shape of a FS usually doesn't work very well. So instead Gvfs gets used for relatively simple things that naturally map onto the FS concept well, like mounting archive files, browsing FTP, etc.

Gvfs would allow a folder of messages to show the continents of, say, an IMAP server as a set of files, but what I would like is the reverse - to have a different presentation for a folder full of emails.

Re: Microsoft is forcibly removing internet explorer from PCs

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Post by oblio »

asdff wrote: post #159
mrdatawolf wrote: post #154

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Your vendor didn't provide you with free updates to match changes in the larger OS ecosystem. Then you get mad at the larger OS for not supporting the niche software of your vendor. BTW neither the vendor nor the OS maker is the problem. You are. Your entitlement that the world should grind to a halt to wait for you is.

Is having a unix philosophy on software entitled? Then I guess I am then.

Unix philosophy on software ? Let's be real here.

Command line Posix stuffgenerally works and Linux stuff works because Linus insists it should.

But what about the whole glibc debacle from about a decade ago? Entire distros broke compatibility.

And let's not get started with *nix GUI framewors and apps, those break compat more often than I change my socks :-)))

Re: Microsoft is forcibly removing internet explorer from PCs

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Post by oblio »

midoridensha wrote: post #196
dilippkumar wrote: post #63

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> …you now need a team of H1B's to start writing shims… This was uncalled for. You could’ve just said engineers. For those of us in an unending battle with a broken immigration system every day of our lives for over a decade, this really rubs the wrong way.

The US's immigration system is not "broken". It's working exactly as designed. If you don't like the way that country is treating you, then why are you so eager to go there and endure that abuse?

Money :-)

And probably a large population of immigrants so that people don't feel so out of place.

And we can ignore that part and still call out stupidity and evil.

Re: Microsoft is forcibly removing internet explorer from PCs

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Post by oblio »

paulmd wrote: post #49
bobjordan wrote: post #6

This is a serious problem for us in my business as our business banking software we are forced to use by our bank in mainland China still only works with IE. I spent an hour last night ultimately inputting shady commands into my registry, to try to force IE to open instead of being hijacked by edge. When an entire industry in a country refuses to upgrade what the hell? Of course I’m pissed the bank hadn’t upgraded bu…

Korea went deeply down the "custom security" rabbithole too, and many banks there still rely on activeX controls and custom encryption algorithms and other insane bullshit that actively impairs security. It seems to be a regional thing (or at least a developing-country thing). https://palant.info/2023/01/02/south-koreas-online-security-... HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34231364 https://www.forbe…

South Korea is very much not a developing country and hasn't been one in about 3 decades :-)

Re: Microsoft is forcibly removing internet explorer from PCs

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Post by midoridensha »

oblio wrote: post #206
midoridensha wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US's immigration system is not "broken". It's working exactly as designed. If you don't like the way that country is treating you, then why are you so eager to go there and endure that abuse?

Money :-) And probably a large population of immigrants so that people don't feel so out of place. And we can ignore that part and still call out stupidity and evil.

It's not stupidity, though it could be evil. If America's government wanted to "fix" the system, they would. But the system seems to work well for the companies that use it, so is it broken?

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's "broken". It's just like how you have to use 3rd-party software to file your taxes and the IRS doesn't just pre-fill forms for you like in other countries. This isn't "broken": it's like this by design, because Intuit lobbied Congress to pass a law forbidding the IRS to make things easier for taxpayers.

Anyway, if your only reason to move to America was money, then it seems silly to complain about being mistreated as an immigrant. You're getting what you signed up for: more money, and with it, more headaches. If you wanted a better lifestyle and better government, you would have picked a different country. And being solely motivated by money seems to me to be a form of evil in itself (evil as in pure selfishness, not evil as in laughing at others suffering).

Re: Microsoft is forcibly removing internet explorer from PCs

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Post by gramie »

I was just helping someone who had removed IE from Windows and then couldn't start QuickBooks (from 2016 or so, I think). Not even get to the main page.

My research showed that Intuit had known about this problem for at least 2-3 years, and told people that they would have a fix but never released one, so everyone seemed to end up having to install a new version of QuickBooks, usually with a subscription.

I found a hacky workaround: create a registry key that tells Windows where IE is located (even though it isn't). QuickBooks then starts up just fine, and as long as you don't use the sections that rely on IE (not sure which ones they are, maybe just documentation?), you can use the program just fine.

The people are winding up their business and retiring, so they really didn't want to buy and learn a new version of QB.

Re: Microsoft is forcibly removing internet explorer from PCs

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Post by ElfinTrousers »

athorax wrote: post #7

Take edge with it, please and thank you

I'd actually say, while we're at it, let's throw out Chrome and Firefox too. I'd add Safari to the list but I think that's taken care of itself.

I've been doing Web applications longer than I'd guess your typical HN commenter has been alive. The main conclusion I have come to is that the Web is a great platform for sharing documents, and a lousy platform for applications.

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