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Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Whats with everything being a dumpster fire nowadays? how about a simple hot mess? or what happened to a good ol hell in a hand-basket? or Ninth Circle Of Hell? I'm sure there are better euphemisms than the dumpster being on fhir as that indicates someone stoking it whereas the reality is more indecision and inaction causing confusion and demoralizing the teams.

Everything has to be turned up to 11 today because too many people think they won't get enough attention if they actually label something as severe/important as it actually is.

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Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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post #14

Whats with everything being a dumpster fire nowadays? how about a simple hot mess? or what happened to a good ol hell in a hand-basket? or Ninth Circle Of Hell? I'm sure there are better euphemisms than the dumpster being on fhir as that indicates someone stoking it whereas the reality is more indecision and inaction causing confusion and demoralizing the teams.

i guess a hot mess is just a dumpster fire at a lower quantity and temperature

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Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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> Google employees > Interactive chart of Alphabet (GOOG) annual worldwide employee count from 2010 to 2022. Alphabet total number of employees in 2022 was 190,234 There should be a rule where you can't over-represent a group of people in media headlines. What percentage of 190,000 people called the CEOs response a dumpster fire? What percentage of 190,000 are even aware of ChatGPT or Google's response to it?

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Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Nope. I am somewhat in disbelief about the level people here downgrade the recent Bing upgrade. The chatbot feature is a such a time saver for jobs where you need to write tons of abstract surface-level content. Just yesterday, I tried compiling a monthly teachers working plan for some local school in Ukrainian language. What it spawned in a minute was at least a day of typing work for a human. This is especially use…

Fair, but the question isn’t whether it is useful but whether it will replace traditional search

It doesn't need to replace it though. If Bing has good chatgpt which is useful for some non-trivial amount of searches then people will go there instead of google and then also run all their other searches there as well.

It just needs to be useful enough to dislodge the google monopoly.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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> Google employees > Interactive chart of Alphabet (GOOG) annual worldwide employee count from 2010 to 2022. Alphabet total number of employees in 2022 was 190,234 There should be a rule where you can't over-represent a group of people in media headlines. What percentage of 190,000 people called the CEOs response a dumpster fire? What percentage of 190,000 are even aware of ChatGPT or Google's response to it?

Journalism is dead

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Eh, this feels different. There are some immediate utilities delivered from ChatGPT and Midjourney that feel like magic. Will they get over hyped? Sure. But is there a real kernel of something different there? I think so. Chatbots were just a worse way to fill out a form. NFTs we’re…where to even begin. But I’ve already used GPT to write thank you note and create a blog post, and I’ve used midjourney to create stock…

> But I’ve already used GPT to write thank you note and create a blog post, and I’ve used midjourney to create stock photos. Neither of those are searching for information , though, which is a very different use case. If 95% of the time GPT writes a great thank you note, that's very useful. If 95% of the time Midjourney gives me a good stock image, that's great! If 95% of the time GPT gives me a correct search result…

95% accuracy seems very optimistic. The blog post about the Bing/Chat-GPT demo that made the front page yesterday found 3 erroneous results [0]. Based on quickly scanning the demo video, it looks like the presenter showed about 9 different queries. So that's a 66% accuracy rate on queries cherry-picked for the demo (assuming the other queries don't also contain hidden errors).

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34775853

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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There seems to be an inordinate amount of venom directed at Pichai relative to other CEOs

It appears that Google's long-standing dominance in search has not translated into meaningful innovation in recent years. Despite occasional hardware launches that imitate Apple and multiple failed attempts to launch a messaging platform, there has been a conspicuous lack of successful projects. Furthermore, Google's ongoing incorporation of ads into Google Maps and declining search quality may be turning search into…

This, exactly. The long term strategy has been demonstrably bad.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Here's the weird thing though, as discussed yesterday [1], the Microsoft demo was totally broken as well. In the end, everyone is looking for a big platform shift (next MOBILE!!!) and hype getting ahead of reality. When we look back in 3 months we will wonder why we thought LLM/GPT type queries will replace search in all forms. https://dkb.blog/p/bing-ai-cant-be-trusted

Nope. I am somewhat in disbelief about the level people here downgrade the recent Bing upgrade. The chatbot feature is a such a time saver for jobs where you need to write tons of abstract surface-level content. Just yesterday, I tried compiling a monthly teachers working plan for some local school in Ukrainian language. What it spawned in a minute was at least a day of typing work for a human. This is especially use…

That's really nice, but how will you monetize it? In its chat form, that's going to be very difficult. Anyone can train it and launch their own LLM, there's know monopoly or differentiator. Sure, its possible overtime it will uplift search engines, but create a new Industry vertical like Search, Mobile, Social Media, Cloud. I think of it more as a feature /augmentation than its own thing.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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If you think that more than 95% of the google search results give you an accurate answer, then I’ve got a search result about bridges to sell you… Edit: and to add more so this response isn’t purely trash talking: plenty of us have already switched over to using ChatGPT/bing for our standard question answerer. It is far more efficient than getting back pages of search results and having to parse through garbage site…

Search doesn't give you answers, it gives you pages that are popular that may contain the answers. You have to look at those pages, consider the source, and develop your own intuition and heuristics to determine if you trust that information. It's a skill you develop over time. If I Google "What's the capitol of Illinois", I might get the Wikipedia page on Illinois, and I'm going to easily find the answer is "Springf…

> If I Google "What's the capitol of Illinois", I might get the Wikipedia page on Illinois

Ten years ago, maybe. If you did it during the last decade, your search was probably served by a natural language parser which would serve up the answer from a facts database before searching the web. Just checked, and for me it says "Illinois / Capital: Springfield" with big bold betters, and below that are suggestions for picture searches for Illinois, and even further below that is the web search results of which Wikipedia is indeed the first.

This used to be incredibly frustrating for me, as someone who actually uses Google for searching documents, not as a facts database. But I've had a couple of years to accept that a) others are not like me, and b) to check Tools / Results / Verbatim.

This ChatGPT-will-kill-Google talk seems like a lot of nonsense. Google has natural language search. Not only is it what that their Assistant does, they've long ago pushed it on everyone via Search. That won't die in the hands of a language generator. ChatGPT is both excellent and fun, but not a search killer.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Google isn't going to suffer severe business consequences for (temporarily) losing dominance in the "AI integrated search" field, because the revenue from that field is effectively NaN compared to Google's current revenue. They might hypothetically suffer if AI integrated search grows to become a major fraction of the existing Search revenue and Google fails to deploy their massive existing ML/AI resources to match B…

Please show me exactly where I said otherwise. Read the comment thread you just replied to and tell me how any of what you just said is relevant to me correcting the sentence "Bing isn't dominating anything haha."

Good point. It's also dominating in the segment of "web search companies called Bing".
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