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Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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Post by nixass » Thu, Feb 09, 2023, 7:43 PM UTC

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #10

I guess my question is - why do I care about geekbench? When was the last time someone who doesn't play games on their phone thought "man, I wish this was faster"? Because it's been years for me. The good news I hear is that Samsung is finally improving their battery life. That is a score that I actually care about.

Last time I cared about Geekbench and such was highschool. The metric is so generic it's irelevant in normal conversation. It's same kind of topic EV cars are trying to introduce with instant torque and crazy acceleration - nobody in real life scenario cares about it.

Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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Post by asow92 » Thu, Feb 09, 2023, 7:43 PM UTC

AstixAndBelix wrote: post #59

asow92 wrote: post #3

I still rock an iPhone 12 Pro Max and love it.

Saying that you "still rock" something barely 3 years old sounds.... strange. I still rock my 1983 Toyota, sure. I still rock my 20yo HiFi system. But I don't "still rock" my iPhone 11, it was only recently out of production for God's sake!

As an iOS developer, 3 years is a long time to upgrade.

Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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Post by manojlds » Thu, Feb 09, 2023, 7:43 PM UTC

super256 wrote: post #35

itake wrote: post #29

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I use an iPhone X (released 2017) and I wish it kept up with modern app performance requirements. The iPhone X doesn't support built-in OCR in images and apps take 1-2s longer to launch than my iPhone 13. Faster performance today means longer lasting tomorrow.

> Faster performance today means longer lasting tomorrow. I wish this was true for my old Android phone. I still have a OnePlus5 lying in my drawer, which still has stellar performance, but doesn't get any new software features.

Same. My OP5 is still very good and I prefer it to the bulky monsters.

My wife upgraded from same to iphone 14 pro max and is seriously questioning what's so great that it's such a bulky device.

Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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Post by asow92 » Thu, Feb 09, 2023, 7:44 PM UTC

RulerOf wrote: post #158

AstixAndBelix wrote: post #59

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Saying that you "still rock" something barely 3 years old sounds.... strange. I still rock my 1983 Toyota, sure. I still rock my 20yo HiFi system. But I don't "still rock" my iPhone 11, it was only recently out of production for God's sake!

This made me chuckle. I'm "still rocking" an iPhone 12 because I'm still paying it off. If it were dated and obsolete I'd be angry I threw away my money buying Apple.

Paid off the moment I bought it.

Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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Post by mbigras » Thu, Feb 09, 2023, 7:44 PM UTC

hot_gril wrote: post #184

mbigras wrote: post #175

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Excellent to see a fellow SE user! I still happily run my iPhone SE (1st generation). I might take 5 minutes to boot Notion or run out memory and crash when I try to boot Amazon; but, my EarPods pair instantly—I just plug my 3.5 mm jack in my 3.5 mm port and then I can freely listen to music or do a phone call (works every time)! Also, I can easily swap connections from my laptop to my phone with the same workflow—si…

I would rather have a gen1 SE than my current iPhone 12 mini. Had an iPhone 5 before, but AT&T stopped serving data to it. I thought maaybe it'd be ok not having a headphone jack, but nah, this sucks.

Please accept my sympathy. I do understand and soon enough I'll be in the same predicament. Every iOS 15 patch feels like a gift. I seriously don't know what I'm going do when iOS 15 becomes end of life; there aren't any modern phones that have my critical—and arguably reasonable—hardware requirements.

Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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Post by Zurrrrr » Thu, Feb 09, 2023, 7:44 PM UTC

yamtaddle wrote: post #171

Zurrrrr wrote: post #164

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It had to have been the apps that were running on Android. It's nothing to do with the hardware. I used to have my pixels, back from 2012, regularly at less than 10%, and would still last overnight as you describe. If a pixel not running any crap apps was worse, it was only be a negligible amount. The gap was never that big, it was more the software that was running than any hardware issues.

> The gap was never that big No, it really was. I wasn't hallucinating stock Android tablets dying over long weekends while iOS tablets would still be usable for testing without needing to plug in, after three weeks in a drawer. Or the phones needing a daily charge if you barely used them, while Apple phones could go 3-4 days under light use. There were no exceptions to this in Android land. [EDIT] Incidentally, yes,…

I don't know what to tell you, but your experience is very different from mine and most androids users (who knew what they were doing).

Disable all the software crap and there was no real difference. You think it was more internal to the OS, and maybe part of it was, but even with just ending all the crap that fixed things.

We agree there were no significant differences in hardware though, and that was my point.

Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Feb 09, 2023, 7:44 PM UTC

hot_gril wrote: post #184

mbigras wrote: post #175

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Excellent to see a fellow SE user! I still happily run my iPhone SE (1st generation). I might take 5 minutes to boot Notion or run out memory and crash when I try to boot Amazon; but, my EarPods pair instantly—I just plug my 3.5 mm jack in my 3.5 mm port and then I can freely listen to music or do a phone call (works every time)! Also, I can easily swap connections from my laptop to my phone with the same workflow—si…

I would rather have a gen1 SE than my current iPhone 12 mini. Had an iPhone 5 before, but AT&T stopped serving data to it. I thought maaybe it'd be ok not having a headphone jack, but nah, this sucks.

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Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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Post by pkulak » Thu, Feb 09, 2023, 7:44 PM UTC

jrochkind1 wrote: post #186

MagicMoonlight wrote: post #174

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No that’s because your battery is old. Swap the battery and that “slow old phone” suddenly has the exact same speed as the current flagship

Interesting! i would have expected old battery to lead to keeping a charge for less time, but can you explain how it leads to worse perceived performance?

Once batteries get really old, I think they can start having trouble maintaining voltage and/or current, and Apple will start limiting performance to reduce fire risk. At least that's my understanding. Hopefully someone who knows more will also chime in.

Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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Post by SketchySeaBeast » Thu, Feb 09, 2023, 7:45 PM UTC

acdha wrote: post #149

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #10

I guess my question is - why do I care about geekbench? When was the last time someone who doesn't play games on their phone thought "man, I wish this was faster"? Because it's been years for me. The good news I hear is that Samsung is finally improving their battery life. That is a score that I actually care about.

You care about single-core performance when you use the web: things like JavaScript processing, layout, etc. will bottleneck on one core and since developers are shipping more code this is probably the most noticeable difference. It's also a little hard to tell in some cases since there are many “native apps” which use an embedded web view for some of their UI. This is important for developers to know about because i…

While I agree it's important for developers to know, I think that Ca.gov example would have been more compelling if we'd had side by sides between various systems - as it was it was incredibly slow, but that's an aberration, and it was a universal problem. Otherwise we have to once again resort to benchmarks. I've been happy with the experience on my last Android phone for 3 years now, another benchmark isn't swaying me, my phone is more than fast enough.

Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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Post by skrowl » Thu, Feb 09, 2023, 7:45 PM UTC

lasfallas wrote: post #86

barbazoo wrote: post #46

Why anyone would get a Samsung is beyond me. The amount of bloatware they install is insane and a lot of that you can't even uninstall. Plus it takes so long to get OS updates. And then there is Bixby or what that piece of shit is called.

2017 called and wants your comment back. Samsung is best Android manufacturer in class regarding OS upgrades and security updates, Bixby can be switched off and actually performs well in tests. Visible bloatware has been reduced significantly and most of the visible apps you can uninstall or deactivate.

lol, you can't tell iPhone zealots that their antiquated mocks are out of date. They're still using the same old stuff because they can't handle the fact that iPhone hasn't added a new feature that wasn't present on Android first in 5+ years.