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AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by kweingar »

xwdv wrote: post #113

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The difference between trans people and those other groups is that there is a sizable portion of the population who think that trans people are mentally ill, demonic, pedophiles, and deserving of death. Even then, there are jokes about trans people that trans people enjoy, but is it really hard to understand why “you’re destroying the fabric of society… nah just kidding” is not one of them for some people?

It’s like going back to the 1930s and saying “why is it ok to make fun of the Irish but when I joke about Jews being a menace to society they take it seriously?”

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by boredhedgehog »

jasonlotito wrote: post #38
sys32768 wrote: post #20

So comedy cannot be offensive anymore? When did that happen?

No, comedy can still be offensive. Anyone suggesting comedians can't be offensive is lying. Comedians routinely punch down, and routinely sell out shows. The believe that comedian's can't be offensive is a shtick they are using to market their shows to an audience. It's all advertising and marketing, and the gullible eat it up because it feeds into their bias.

> Comedians routinely punch down

How can you tell where down is though? If the group you're punching has enough clout to get you in trouble, it probably wasn't down.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by ryandrake »

indy wrote: post #182
twodave wrote: post #106

Uncharacteristically off-topic comment from me, I guess, but when do humans get to a point where we no longer have to appeal to the lowest common denominator? How are our relationships supposed to improve if we dub anything that makes us uncomfortable as "taboo" and steer clear of it? I get that on the Internet there is a lot of anonymity (though less than there used to be) that folks tend to abuse, but at the same t…

Agreed, as a society we need to increase our resilience to opinions we may find uncomfortable.

We've totally abandoned the concept of "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by 314 »

alexb_ wrote: post #39
anoonmoose wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you suggesting that Twitch should ignore accounts that violate the ToS, so long as it was a computer that violated the terms as opposed to a person?

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> Computers can't learn from their mistakes. Humans can.

So.... Machine Learning is a thing.

> That's the whole point behind bans, is it not?

No, it may be one point behind imposing bans but it is not the whole (only) point. People can also learn from watching other's make mistakes. Bans communicate to people other than the person getting banned that something is unacceptable.

In this case it seems to communicate that "but it is not a person it's a bot" will not be a srong enough reason to break their rules and escape a ban.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by adamrezich »

iso1631 wrote: post #193
Macha wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For a joke generator, making an offensive joke that gets the generator banned from the primary source it uses to reach users seems pretty high up their on the range of negative possible outcomes. That's the point of the comment, if you were applying AI in more serious scenarios, would this be an AI confidently advising a doctor to overdose a patient, or advising a judge to incarcerate someone based on racist inferenc…

> For a joke generator I'm confused, I thought it was supposed to be generating Seinfeld episodes, not jokes?

Seinfeld episodes usually open and close with Jerry doing standup in a club, a format that Nothing, Forever emulates.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by cat_plus_plus »

I completely agree with helping defenseless people who are being bullied. However banning an account for accidental AI-generated jokes, or even human-generated edgy or tasteless jokes makes me question who is powerless and who is being bullied here. I don't think it's the trans kids who are having a hard time in school who are doing the cancelling, more like people who get off on power to control what others are allowed to say.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by mort96 »

alexb_ wrote: post #39
anoonmoose wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you suggesting that Twitch should ignore accounts that violate the ToS, so long as it was a computer that violated the terms as opposed to a person?

[flagged]

Computers can't learn from their mistakes, but humans can learn from the mistakes of their computers. This ban seems to communicate to humans: You can stream computer-generated content, as long as that computer-generated content is appropriate for the platform. Seems completely fair to me.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by eropple »

ryandrake wrote: post #203
indy wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed, as a society we need to increase our resilience to opinions we may find uncomfortable.

We've totally abandoned the concept of "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

I'm fairly certain that's untrue. There is, however, a fairly pernicious aspect of the social discourse that really would like to conflate "entertaining it, rejecting it soundly, and not repeatedly entertaining it for the same pretty-tired arguments" with never entertaining the thought at all.

The sea-lion cartoon has stuck around for a reason.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by PM_me_your_math »

rom-antics wrote: post #175
d23 wrote: post #5

If you click through to the mirror from the /r/livestreamfail page, the clip actually comes across (to me) as making fun of the people who make those kinds of jokes.

I saw it as a joke about an 80s/90s comedian being dropped into the 21st century and bombing a set trying to use old material. It's not a bad premise for a joke and could probably even work IRL if you polish it up. It's too bad they mentioned the T-word though, I guess you're not allowed to say that anymore even in passing.

Would hate to hurt the feelings of the mob, and you know how important their feelings are.
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