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Re: 43 Hours on the Amtrak Southwest Chief

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you judge any other form of transit by its standalone profitability? Are you holding road construction and public airports to the same standard?

The blog implicitly (and explicitly) makes the argument that this isn’t a form of transit. It’s recreation. 43 hours for what would be a 4 hr flight plus it’s more expensive to boot. So should such long distance train rides actually be compared to transit or golfing?

I made the case a tiny bit further down thread. Yea its recreation, but its recreation at marginal cost to an existing system which helps to subsidize the non-recreational users. Like having a cruise ship appended to a container ship. Amtrak doesn't only exist for / cater to the land version of a cruise ship.

Re: 43 Hours on the Amtrak Southwest Chief

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you judge any other form of transit by its standalone profitability? Are you holding road construction and public airports to the same standard?

I do. The federal government should be break even on roads through fuel taxes. Break even on airline ticket fees. At various times both have been true. Rail is horrendously subsidized to the tune of 20 cents per passenger mile. That is an insane subsidy.

Well, I got bad news for you about the roads and fuel taxes.

Re: 43 Hours on the Amtrak Southwest Chief

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Great writeup and great read. This reminded me of the time I took the Coast Starlight from LA to Seattle with my mother. Some beautiful memories.

I highly recommend taking a long distance Amtrak route, when you can. You get to see a beautiful part of America.

Re: 43 Hours on the Amtrak Southwest Chief

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post #84

If you enjoy cycling I highly recommend riding Amtrak somewhere you'd like to explore by bicycle with your whip checked "trainside" where it's fully assembled and ready to ride. There's something magical about getting off the train in a different state with your bicycle ready to go no worse for wear. Especially at smaller stations, where the conductor or luggage handler will directly hand you the bicycle from the lug…

I've been thinking about the feasibility of this. Thank you for writing this comment. I know what I'll be doing soon.

Re: 43 Hours on the Amtrak Southwest Chief

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What a nostalgic post. This is finally something I think I can contribute to. Long post ahead, scroll to the bottom for TLDR.

I toured the US via Amtrak twice; once in 2007, and again in 2010. Both trips originated at New York Penn.

The first time I did it was on the Lake Shore Limited from NYP to Chicago, then the California Zephyr to Emeryville with a shuttle to San Francisco. Did the same route back.

During this trip, I stayed a night in Chicago, Omaha, Denver, Salt Lake City, and San Francisco.

Chicago was great. I would live here in a heartbeat if it weren't for the weather. I tried walking up a pier since I was curious about why there was a huge mound of ice there but not on the street. Bad fucking idea. Windy City is no joke. Had African food nearby; delicious.

Discovered Intelligentsia Coffee while there. Incredible. I still always stop at Intelligentsia whenever I go to Chicago.

I had a can thrown at me in Omaha while I walked eight miles to a film festival that someone advertised at a coffee shop. I saw The Joneses there. Good movie.

I was reminded during the walk that I packed LIKE SHIT for this trip. Stuffed everything (including a shit Canon 300D) into a cheap bag that my first job at Macquarie gave us. The handles broke from the bag mid-walk, so I had to get creative. Fortunately I took public transit back. Terrifying.

At Denver, a lady told me to delete a photo I took of a bus stop I took that had a bullet hole through it. (Jokes on her; I lost ALL of the photos I took of this trip!) Also walked through downtown Denver, which was very small back then. I'm sure it's insane now.

Salt Lake City was interesting. Found out here that my ex-girlfriend was pregnant with her first with someone else she was dating. Devastated me since I still had feelings for her. (This was a blessing in disguise, as it turned out that I didn't want kids. Married an amazing woman a few years later who was more aggressive about childfree than I was. We still don't have kids, and our life is amazing ten years in.)

I toured the Mormon Temple, which was fascinating. Later, I went to a rock show somewhere in the outskirts. EVERYONE there was white except me (I'm black) and EVERYONE stopped to stare at me. It was almost like one of those scenes where the music stops and everyone stares at the subject. In retrospect, it might have been the SLR on my neck. Anyway, didn't stay there long. Fuck that place still.

San Francisco was fun. Still have some photos from this part of the trip thanks to PhotoRec. I stayed at the Travelodge at Fisherman's Wharf. It was $79/night then. I walked to Sausalito and was awe-struck by how quaint the houses were.

The second time was a "coastal" tour. I took the Crescent to New Orleans, then the Sunset Limited to LAX, then Amtrak Coast Sunlight from LAX to Seattle, the Empire Builder to Chicago, then Lake Short Limited back to NYP.

On this trip, I stopped at Charlotte, Atlanta, NOLA, Houston, Tucson, LAX, Portland, Seattle, and Chicago.

Now that I had some more money from my job, I upgraded my equipment a bit. Bought a Gregory 75L pack (hugely overpacked) that I still have today and took photos on my Samsung Galaxy Vibrant (because I sure as fuck wasn't losing these photos).

I had Waffle House for the first time ever in Atlanta. As stupid as this is, this (and the weather) was the thing that made me fall in love with the South. Waffle House is incredible. Better than 99% of the diners I grew up with in NYC. Was astounded by how NYC didn't have any of these. I SWEAR the waffles were bigger then.

(Didn't know anything about its politics or propensity for Christianity and still mostly don't care. I was locked in and this was happening. Almost moved to Dallas in 2010. Almost moved to Houston in 2012, but stayed for my now-wife. Finally moved to Dallas in 2016 and then to Houston in 2020.)

Stayed at my first fancy-feast hotel in New Orleans. I thought the stay was $130 total; haha, it was actually $130/nt...and I was there for two nights! That was a lot of money for me back then. (I'm now typing this from a Ritz Carlton...that I paid with points because I'm still cheap LOL. Thanks, tech industry!) Missed mardi gras, but Bourbon St was still insane. Loved Old French Quarter; saw an awesome hillbilly river punk band there.

Houston was fun. Took the bus everywhere. Was quickly introduced to the shittitude that was Houston METRO in 2010. Walked the underground tunnel system. Really sad, as it was clear that it was bustling in the 80s and maybe the 90s. Saw black cowboys trot their horses on some main street. Didn't know black cowboys existed.

Tucson was my shortest stay followed by LAX. I didn't book a hotel there so I only had whatever time I had for the train to switch crews. Very cute city. Back then they only had a single main strip. Not sure now.

The only thing I remember about LAX is dining at Dinah's. Food was good.

So remember how I said I took the Coast Starlight? Well, lol, I actually didn't. The tracks were being renovated, so we had to take a bus from LA to Portland, riding I think the PCH along the way. Absolutely stunning...but not as much from a bus LOL.

Portland was really interesting. Very very VERY quirky town. Not the REI model city it is now. (Still love Portland; I do my solo vacations there.) Had voodoo doughnuts and Stumptown before they blew up. (This was something I planned to do, as I was massively into coffee back then, like I still am now.) Holy shit, those donuts were incredible. Spent a few hours with his attractive older woman who I went dancing with. I was into older women, so I was particularly invested in this moment, Nothing happened, but it was a good time. Stayed across the river where the Portland sign is. 0/10; would not recommend.

Seattle was fun. It rained, of course. Had Starbucks at Pike Place. It was...Starbucks. Had a lot of other great coffee while I was there. Hung out at a meetup at a bar. Met some great people there. I remember a doctor telling me that hand sanitizer was mostly worthless. This was interesting to think about during COVID. Went up the space needle.

Didn't see ANYTHING from Seattle to Chicago because of snow. Didn't even know there were cities up there. (We stopped at Minot for a bit, which surprised me.)

TLDR: As for the train trip itself: OP is spot on. DO IT. There is no better way to see how incredible the US is. You will meet (very) interesting people, the dinner is surprisingly delicious, and you are forced to do nothing for large segments of the trip since cell service is unreliable (though definitely not as unreliable as it was back when I did it; back then, most of the trip didn't have cell coverage at all, and I sure as shit couldn't afford roaming!).

I booked mine with a USA Rail pass; $500 to ride 10 segments, which is just enough to see the entire US. Slept on the seats instead of getting a fancy sleeper like OP did.

You will need to spend time planning how to do it, as the trains arrive and depart at weird times. You'll also need to account for delays, since most of the rail segments are owned by the freighting companies. Interestingly, this is a holdover from the time when these rail lines were owned by those same companies! The route names are actually what those trains were called before Amtrak (AMRC) consolidated them in the 80s.

I would absolutely recommend making a vacation out of it by staying at a few cities along your route. Lots of travelers dunk on how boring the US is and seek adventure overseas to compensate. Couldn't be farther from the truth. Every big city is different, and every state is different. If you can, avoid renting a car and use public transit or walk. Every city is the same if you drive point to point everywhere.

Thanks for reading.

Re: 43 Hours on the Amtrak Southwest Chief

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Tons of foamers in the HN community. I'm sure that it is a lovely experience, and seeing America is incredibly powerful. But the truth is that you are in an extremely heavy, expensive, and slow vehicle that requires over 1000 man-hours to carry fewer than 300 seats the whole length of the ride. That doesn't account for the capital costs of the vehicle or maintenance on the route, or overhead for the stations. Looseni…

Why are you worrying about something you have no control over?

Re: 43 Hours on the Amtrak Southwest Chief

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post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find train travel so much better in Asia or Europe. I can’t really find it enjoyable in the states, even for a short jaunt from Portland to Seattle (though it still makes sense vs flying). I did a 3 night hard sleeper from Shanghai to Urumqi once, and the scenery was nice, I can’t imagine it being that nice in the states even with a better bed (hard sleepers are a bit cheap).

> I can’t imagine it being that nice in the states Depends what part of the US you’re going through! East Coast, sure, the train scenery might be a bit plain. But the Mountain West is absolutely gorgeous. And the Coast Starlight goes right along the California coast, hugging cliffs the entire way - it’s completely surreal. I believe that the scenery is nice along that route in China, but if you think the US doesn’t h…

Agreed. The Coast Starlight is incredible as is the Zephyr through the rockies.

Re: 43 Hours on the Amtrak Southwest Chief

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post #141

This past summer, I took the Coast Starlight from Seattle to Monterey with my wife and kids. I loved it. It's hard to convey how different it is from flying. Whenever I fly somewhere, especially these days when flying is such a miserable cramped experience, I always feel like my vacation starts after I endure the entire airport + plane experience. The whole travel part is in the same "chore" bucket as packing, findin…

I did this once (different trip, but similar distance) and freaking hated it. The beautiful buildings in downtown are full of vagrants and the restaurants there suck. The train kept being stopped to let freight go first on single track sections. On the return trip our train was 90 minutes late and there was absolutely nothing to do in the station while waiting. Americans don't know how to do trains right.

Well you can thank white flight for that! Those Greyhound and Union Stations used to be magnificent back in the day. As the city declined in favor of the suburb, so too did these stations.

Re: 43 Hours on the Amtrak Southwest Chief

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post #33

Ridden the ‘Chief before a few times. Always met some cool people to talk and play games with. But really, after recent air travel, I’m like who wants to fly when they can take Amtrak?

Are the "business" class seats comfortable enough to sleep in? A sleeper car sounds posh, but 5x the cost, can you travel first class if you're able to nap on a plane typically?

Yes
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