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MDMA and psilocybin are approved as medicines in Australia

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Post by Overtonwindow »

dntrkv wrote: post #122
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #76

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Everything I've learned about therapeutic psilocybin treatment is that the doses involved are actually quite a bit higher than I've ever done on a trip at home. For example for psychedelic therapy with psilocybin, you would see a therapist a few times with no psilocybin, then you would have a session where you take something like the equivalent of 1 gram of dried mushrooms, and go through that session with the therap…

5 grams? Most people would absolutely lose their shit on that. Even an eighth of good mushrooms is enough to obliterate most people. Like complete ego death. How long do these sessions last? What are the logistics? I’m very curious.

I had to do four grams the first time. If you are on antidepressants or anti anxiety drugs you'll need more of it. Four grams was the lower therapeutic dose for me, after that I did six grams, but was able to get by for the remainder of the seven weeks on just two grams a day.

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Post by rrrrrrrrrrrryan »

Atsuii wrote: post #35
robbiep wrote: post #34

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Weed is now extensively available through e prescribing just about everywhere

It remains criminal to have any THC in your system when driving even with a prescription though. With no meaningful way to test if someone has consumed THC in the past 5 hours vs the night before it makes it a useless medical aid for anyone who has to drive, which outside of inner suburbs of Melbourne & Sydney is the vast majority of people in Australia.

I don't think they're widely used yet, but there are iPad apps that police departments can use to test for marijuana impairment before administrating a THC test, similar to the "touch your nose, walk on this line" tests they use prior to pulling out a breathalyzer.

E.g. https://www.impairmentscience.com/research

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Post by naasking »

tayo42 wrote: post #193
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You feel freezing even in MDMA? That seems unlikely.

no, thats the not a psychedelic either

It is considered to be under the broad category of psychedelics as it causes sensory distortions at certain doses.

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Post by naasking »

Overtonwindow wrote: post #200
naasking wrote: post #85

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A therapeutic MDMA dose is basically equivalent to a recreational dose from the literature I've read. Not sure about psilocybin. Ketamine dosage definitely leads to tripping balls.

Not at all actually. I underwent 11 weeks of ketamine therapy. No hallucinations whatsoever, and I checked with others because I thought I was missing out! I felt physically drunk, but mentally absolutely clear. You may be thinking of a higher dose taken recreationally.

Or the reports I read were before they dialed in the dose.

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Post by pas »

tdehnel wrote: post #163
petesergeant wrote: post #53

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> because outcomes vary widely, it's hard to call them "medicine" Is that so different from any other psychiatric medicine?

This is rationalizing rhetoric. Full-on psychedelic drugs are very different from any other psychiatric medicine. Users should know this difference and be prepared to mitigate the risks. With psych drugs, the most common experience is that user takes them for a few weeks, and reports or doesn’t report some subtle change in their psyche. A bad experience is mostly limited to “didn’t work”. If the drug “doesn’t work” t…

recreational dose is easily 10-20x more than therapeutic dose for most drugs.

comparison has to take this into account, so they are not different, the dose is the real difference.

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Post by batty_alex »

shlant wrote: post #191
batty_alex wrote: post #160

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An eighth won’t give you ego death. 5 grams is about where you start getting kaleidoscopic visuals and good hallucinations In all, the whole trip usually lasts a solid 4 hours. You’re going to be ready to pass out at the end

> An eighth won’t give you ego death. 5 grams is about where you start getting kaleidoscopic visuals and good hallucinations This is completely dependent on the strain[1] and potency of that batch. It also will depend on the person. To make any definitive statements on what people will experience on x grams is not an informed opinion. [1] https://leafly-cms-production.imgix.net/wp-content/uploads/2...

Leafley is great but, I’ve babysat enough people to tell you that an eighth (3.5g) isn’t going to put anyone on a shroom trip. They’ll definitely get stoned and have some euphoria on the downslope

Update: p. Cubensis is what I’m most familiar with

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Post by shlant »

batty_alex wrote: post #206
shlant wrote: post #191

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> An eighth won’t give you ego death. 5 grams is about where you start getting kaleidoscopic visuals and good hallucinations This is completely dependent on the strain[1] and potency of that batch. It also will depend on the person. To make any definitive statements on what people will experience on x grams is not an informed opinion. [1] https://leafly-cms-production.imgix.net/wp-content/uploads/2...

Leafley is great but, I’ve babysat enough people to tell you that an eighth (3.5g) isn’t going to put anyone on a shroom trip. They’ll definitely get stoned and have some euphoria on the downslope Update: p. Cubensis is what I’m most familiar with

it's interesting because someone replied to another comment of mine saying 2g is tripping balls for them haha. I think it greatly varies from person to person - I for instance seem to have a greater tolerance for psychedelics than most people I know. I guess it would also depend on what you consider a "trip".

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Post by TheHappyOddish »

mancerayder wrote: post #178

Didn't they ban the Steam game "RimWorld" because it contained drug use and cultivation? Apparently, "smokeleaf plant" and "yayo" cultivation in a colony simulation game was too much for the Australian government to tolerate. What a puzzling set of priorities for a nation to just casually accept.

No. And as such your further elaborations don't make sense.

The classifications board refused classification for the console ports of the game. The reasoning is as follows:

> The computer game is classified RC in accordance with the National Classification Code, Computer Games Table, 1. (a) as computer games that "depict, express or otherwise deal with matters of sex, drug misuse or addiction, crime, cruelty, violence or revolting or abhorrent phenomena in such a way that they offend against the standards of morality, decency and propriety generally accepted by reasonable adults to the extent that they should not be classified."

Drug use is common in video games in Australia, although most games would be classified R18+.

The RC was appealed successfully, and the game was classified as R18+.

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