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Pakistani gov degrades Wikipedia connections due to blasphemy

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Re: Pakistani gov degrades Wikipedia connections due to blasphemy

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Abdul Salam was neither exiled nor did he face prosecution. Let's not get sensationalist. He left Pakistan long before the official moves against Ahmadis, and the reasons for his leaving were mundane: Petty politics at the university in Pakistan.

The first paragraph of that Wikipedia page says this: > At the very commencement of his accession, he found himself forced into exile from Pakistan in response to pressure from the Government of Pakistan. Is that inaccurate?

Link? His Wikipedia page does not have this text, and it was last edited days ago.

Never mind: You are talking about Mirza. I'm talking about the Nobel Laureate. Two different people.

Re: Pakistani gov degrades Wikipedia connections due to blasphemy

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No that's a common far-left cop-out. I don't follow many right wing sources, I closely observe how people talk and act, offline and online, and think for myself. In-fact I follow mostly left-wing media and I consider myself a true leftist because I think everyone should be treated equally, and power dynamics aren't as simple as man = has all power, women = has no power. But that's exactly the narrative that the left…

I get that you believe you're thinking independently here but you're doing a paint-by-numbers repetition of anti-feminist tropes here. I would strongly recommend reconsidering how objective your baseline is and, especially, checking primary sources and thinking critically about the interpretative narratives around them.

Likewise, I hope some day you’ll be able to handle nuance instead of regurgitating what the blue team tells you.

Re: Pakistani gov degrades Wikipedia connections due to blasphemy

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I would love wag the finger but first I would have to clean up my own country, the United States of America. When the US government stops pressuring social media platforms to censor speech and they stop happily complying then perhaps I might have room to criticize other nations. [Edit] And how should this be addressed in the US? Simple. Only censor things that are explicitly and clearly illegal under federal law and…

> Only censor things that are explicitly and clearly illegal under federal law and the laws of the state the company is headquartered in.

"Congress shall make no law"...

Re: Pakistani gov degrades Wikipedia connections due to blasphemy

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post #172

Twitter appears to have complied with removing the BBC documentary tweets for users in India. So some tweets are not available in India. It does look like Wikipedia is ahead of Twitter in the free speech absolutist game if it prefers being blocked to compliance.

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A Wikipedia article, edited or altered!? Say it isn't so.

Re: Pakistani gov degrades Wikipedia connections due to blasphemy

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post #23

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I am trying to think why Wikipedia would care about this. They offer a free service - if you don't want it that's just disappointing.

Because the law of a country (a very populated country) prohibits it. In the same sense they supposedly would remove whatever violates hate speech laws or copyright laws in some other countries that the ones they operate in.

> Because the law of a country (a very populated country) prohibits it

s/law/rulers/g

Re: Pakistani gov degrades Wikipedia connections due to blasphemy

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I would love wag the finger but first I would have to clean up my own country, the United States of America. When the US government stops pressuring social media platforms to censor speech and they stop happily complying then perhaps I might have room to criticize other nations. [Edit] And how should this be addressed in the US? Simple. Only censor things that are explicitly and clearly illegal under federal law and…

> I would love wag the finger but first I would have to clean up my own country

Your own country and its cleanliness is totally irrelevant to Pakistan censoring Wikipedia.

Re: Pakistani gov degrades Wikipedia connections due to blasphemy

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post #181

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That just tells me that you follow a lot of right-wing sources. That's not a popular feminist position but it's exactly how the right-wing characterizes it to avoid honest engagement with, for example, the feminists who've written thoughtfully and compassionately about how traditional gender roles negatively impact men. The suicide rates you mention, for example, are commonly attributed to the intersection of economi…

No that's a common far-left cop-out. I don't follow many right wing sources, I closely observe how people talk and act, offline and online, and think for myself. In-fact I follow mostly left-wing media and I consider myself a true leftist because I think everyone should be treated equally, and power dynamics aren't as simple as man = has all power, women = has no power. But that's exactly the narrative that the left…

>Something like 30% of men haven't had sex in the past year >women generally find 80% of men unattractive on dating sites.

For the first time in history, women actually have the societal, as well as legal right to not find a man. They are finally able to be choosy and say no when they don't want to do anything. They are no longer coerced by laws or societal norms to settle for a man, and can freely chose to only find a partner if that partner is attractive to them, physically or emotionally or whatever their preference is.

Of course, men who were brought up to think that women owe them anything hate this, because it means they have to be more than just a living paycheck to get a partner. It means millions of men who in older times would have found a wife who settled for them now have to compete with other men who may understand and treat women as individuals instead of sex objects to be claimed.

There is plenty of room to talk about how culture around men prioritizes sex and finding a partner, and discourages men from being themselves. There is plenty of room to talk about how plenty of women hate the current situation where logging into a dating app means 100 new messages, 5 unsolicited dick picks, and being called a slut when they rebuff someone's advances, as if that makes any sense.

None of this is putting women on a pedestal. A significant portion of the right wing here in the states is actively campaigning on the idea of abolishing all non-standard cultures, and demonizing independent women and single mothers especially as solely responsible for society's ills.

If you are hurt by a traditionally oppressed population finally getting the ability to direct their own life, you should consider what that says about your former position in the world.

Re: Pakistani gov degrades Wikipedia connections due to blasphemy

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I would love wag the finger but first I would have to clean up my own country, the United States of America. When the US government stops pressuring social media platforms to censor speech and they stop happily complying then perhaps I might have room to criticize other nations. [Edit] And how should this be addressed in the US? Simple. Only censor things that are explicitly and clearly illegal under federal law and…

US Laws are why people aren't posting classic European art because one nipple and you're gone.

You can literally post nudity on YouTube if it's educational or art, and can convince the dumb ML black box of that. You can just host a website with drawings of naked people if you want. Hell, you could host a website with naked Muhammad and there's nothing the US can do to you.

For reference, I was using one of "those" sites during the 2016 election, and an actual ad next to my chosen video was one of Donald Trump doing Hillary from behind with great gusto.

It's not a crime. It was also hilarious.

Re: Pakistani gov degrades Wikipedia connections due to blasphemy

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>The death penalty is abhorrent and indefensible Believe it or not, but some places don't have the resources to hold people in jail for decades. If there was a murderer and the place had no way to actually keep the murderer away from the general population, what would you recommend? Just ask the murderer to not murder again?

What countries don't have the prison capacity for murderers? Even the bankrupt Taliban manages to keep 14k people in their prisons. https://www.voanews.com/a/taliban-refill-afghan-jails/693518... Burundi's the last on the list of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)... and manages prisons, as well. They're not opting for executions for the cost savings.

To be clear, I was just using murder as an example. You have to add in rape, terrorism, and other crimes that the Taliban executes people for.

We have no clue how many people they are holding in jail and how many are executed. Do you think they could actually hold thousands of additional prisoners who are amongst the most violent?

We also don't know how many of the guards agree with the terrorists. It probably wouldn't be a good thing to have a prison full of terrorists where the guards agree. They likely would "accidentally" let some of them escape.

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