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Study finds that buttons in cars are safer and quicker to use than touchscreens

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Re: Study finds that buttons in cars are safer and quicker to use than touchscreens

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Post by tremon »

ht85 wrote: post #79
ajross wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the proper control to use for interacting with a navigation aid in the UK? Or are you saying that UK law forbids in-car maps? These arguments always end up in this kind of hyper-specific realm where they seem to apply only to Tesla's particular design choices. But, in car maps are everywhere now (and, yes, Tesla's implementation is by far the best), and the natural way you use them is with touch. They absolute…

> What's the proper control to use for interacting with a navigation 1. Voice control 2. Pull over

3. co-driver or other passenger

Re: Study finds that buttons in cars are safer and quicker to use than touchscreens

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Post by messe »

phpisthebest wrote: post #194
wolrah wrote: post #183

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> You do know that Touch Screen got included in Cars due to government regulations right? The government mandated Backup Camera's and once you had to put in a screen to serve as display for the backup camera then it only makes since to use that screen for more and more things Backup cameras were mandated in the US in 2018. Almost every vehicle on the market had a touchscreen years before that. The few vehicles I can…

>>Tesla does not want to have these controls, the only reason they have them is because regulation forces them to. Tell me again how the big bad government is ruining Tesla's freedom to do the stupidest things You think the stupidest thing, I am not anti-touch screen like most here are. In-fact I replaced alot of the factory buttons in my older car with a Aftermarket Large display that is basically a huge android tab…

> Why the government preventing me from choosing the control I like the best

For the same reason you can't drive while on the phone or drunk. If it's less safe than buttons, it's putting others in unnecessary danger.

Re: Study finds that buttons in cars are safer and quicker to use than touchscreens

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Post by ajross »

HelloNurse wrote: post #182
richbell wrote: post #147

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Mazda has something similar. I realized that "do __ without taking your eyes off the road" isn't really true, for the same reason that it's hard to read your phone and listen to someone at the same time. Most of the time you can strike a balance, but every once and a while your mind will completely blank and take a few moments to realize you stopped processing what you were hearing. Not a risk worth taking while driv…

There's also a difference between taking your eyes off the road momentarily to look at a simple predictable display in a fixed location, like a light or a needle or a fixed text display, and taking your eyes off the road indefinitely to look at a screen that displays something unpredictable, complex and arbitrary as part of an interactive session, usually with animations.

Do you refuse to ride in Ubers, or avoid Amazon delivery vehicles? I have to admit that the level of tech-denial in this thread seems to be getting out of hand. Everyone uses in-vehicles maps. Everyone deploys them on touch screens. They're pervasive and everywhere, and none of the arguments change when you bolt them to the dash.

Why is "Tesla" being held to a different standard than UPS/FedEx/Amazon/Uber/Doordash/etc...?

Re: Study finds that buttons in cars are safer and quicker to use than touchscreens

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Post by manholio »

phpisthebest wrote: post #104
PreInternet01 wrote: post #17

I would love to see some EU legislation about car dashboards. As an occasional driver of many different brands and types of vehicles, I continue to be amazed at the usability crimes being committed in the name of 'looking cool' (stated reason) as well as 'cost savings' (most likely the real reason). Any function that needs to be invoked or setting that needs to be changed by a reasonable person while driving should h…

>>I would love to see some EU legislation Why does the EU believe every facet of life needs to be ordered and control by government regulation, is there any area of life at all in the EU that should be free from government interference? That is an honest question because every time anything comes up the first response from citizens of the EU is to declare government should be the right and proper resolution to the pr…

> Why does the EU believe every facet of life needs to be ordered and control by government regulation

It doesn't, the author is just projecting their authoritarian nanny state fantasies.

The EU regulates the internal market and sets minimal common standards for example for medication, food safety and allowed pesticides and fertilizers etc. These are necessary for the well functioning of the common market and need to be specified to a high degree of detail, otherwise states would try to cheat and flood the common market with products grown with the cheapest most toxic methods, and you wouldn't be able to remove them from your national market without breaking the free trade rules.

This nature of the internal competition needs detailed regulations that states need to negotiate and specify very well (and then try to cheat anyway), and it's unlike a national unified market like the US has. This gives the appearance of over-regulation, but in reality the UE is quite neoliberal and doesn't give a fuck about your car controls.

Re: Study finds that buttons in cars are safer and quicker to use than touchscreens

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Post by nkozyra »

ajross wrote: post #82
everdrive wrote: post #9

As folks noted in the other thread on this topic: This is self-evident to most of the HN audience, but the more studies and more awareness is brought to this topic the likelier things are to improve.

This isn't a study. It's a "test" run by a Swedish car magazine, analogous to Car & Driver or Motor Trend, and similarly captured by its advertising base. Auto industry rags have always hated Tesla, for fairly obvious reasons, and it's sort of a running joke within the Tesla community. Does that mean it's wrong? No. But it does mean you need to apply some salt. This isn't first principles science being reported, as y…

There have been a lot of tests and studies about this in the past and they generally confirm what would be self evident.

Re: Study finds that buttons in cars are safer and quicker to use than touchscreens

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Post by nkozyra »

cs702 wrote: post #123
acdha wrote: post #43

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Those are not things you need to do while driving. There’s no reason why, say, garage door pairing can’t use a button like my 2006 Subaru does for the one time most people will do it in the life of the vehicle. Checking a calendar is distracted driving and should be illegal.

> Checking a calendar is distracted driving and should be illegal. Tesla vehicles, as well as iOS and Android car UIs, have functionality for navigating to the next appointment in your calendar, if the appointment has a physical address. For a lot of folks, e.g., salespeople and service crews, this is a godsend.

What? Put first location in navigation. Do sales pitch. Get back in car, put next location in navigation, etc.

You can set the whole thing up in advance in Google Maps. This solves a problem that was already solved.

Re: Study finds that buttons in cars are safer and quicker to use than touchscreens

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Post by tremon »

phpisthebest wrote: post #178
jeroenhd wrote: post #159

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Nobody ever demanded touch screens. Cars already had navigation built in that had no touch screens nor a need for them. Car companies choosing cheap, substandard designs to save a buck is something the car companies decided on. The market being a race to the bottom is visible in every single space where only a few companies control an entire industry. From supermarkets to cars, from soft drinks to tech, when competit…

>>where only a few companies control an entire industry. I feel like we are now into the absurd... You know what kills competition. REGULATION. Every industry where you can cite limited competition I can tell you the regulations that killed that competition. Unregulated industries have LOTS of innovation and competition. Regulated industries have slow innovation and no competition. Free market work because of competi…

And every industry where you can cite zero regulation I can tell you the industry killed lots of people or destroyed ecosystems.

Unregulated industries have LOTS of leeway to prioritize profits over their environment. Case in point: look up the article yesterday about Salt Lake being drained for agriculture, risking millions of homes' access to drinking water.

Re: Study finds that buttons in cars are safer and quicker to use than touchscreens

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Post by Kaibeezy »

prepend wrote: post #87
Mikeb85 wrote: post #70

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I miss my old Saab... One of these days I need to pick up another one.

As a COVID project, I looked for a Saab to play around with. The cheapest I found was a 2009 crappy GM 9-3 for $11k. I really miss my pre-Malibu 900s and 9-3s.

My understanding is that a 2005 or earlier (pre-Dame Edna) 9-5 still had oversight from the Swedish engineering and manufacturing team. For example, an austere Saab dashboard rather than a blingy Buick one. Not sure when that switch happened for the 9-3, but it would have been for whatever facelift happened around the same time.

2003 Aero is the sweet spot. GM sales “engineers” tried selling with all-options-standard that year, so they are all very well equipped. Any still running had the sump issue fixed long ago. Hard to imagine you couldn’t get a fettisdagsbulle for $5k.

Re: Study finds that buttons in cars are safer and quicker to use than touchscreens

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Post by Scubabear68 »

I have 2022 Kia Telluride that gets a lot of this right, it there is one major issue - Google maps on Car Play starts falling behind where I am on the route. Like you to half a mile. It has put me in some very dangerous situations where I am in an unfamiliar town or area.
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