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Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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Post by kuhewa »

ta8903 wrote: post #161
jakelazaroff wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read through the first quarter or so of this article and man — despite the author’s best efforts, it makes RMS look real bad. Here’s a particularly awful direct quote: > Giuffre was 17 at the time; this makes it rape in the Virgin Isiands. Does it really? I think it is morally absurd to define rape in a way that depends on minor details such as which country it was in or whether the victim was 18 years old or 17.

Posts like this remind me of high school where I argued against some hypothetical and got bullied because people got weirded out by it.

"how can they arrest the guys on To Catch A Predator since there was no actual minor they were chatting to before coming over to the sting house where they thought a 13 year old lived with handcuffs and wine coolers"

Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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Post by Tams80 »

esolyt wrote: post #117
ekidd wrote: post #20

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> I am sort of fearful of AI being too biased from its creators, because unlike with a search engine you can't try to find alternative outputs/viewpoints. Look at it a another way. People have already bypassed the filters and convinced ChatGPT to do all sorts of things: - Provide detailed instructions for how to commit murder and suicide. - Explain why it is necessary to commit genocide against certain racial or reli…

The question isn't whether genocides are acceptable. The question here is whether you can build a chatbot free from politics. There was a time when slavery was considered acceptable and women not being able to vote was considered acceptable. If ChatGPT had been created around that time, it would've said there are various opinions regarding slavery and that both sides have merit. Likewise, we're at a point in history…

If that's how society turns, then yes, we most certainly would.

A bigger question is how is AI going to play a part in how society develops in the future.

Right now, you could easily get it to write an undergraduate essay, that with minimal 'manual' tweaking could get you at the very least a good grade.

Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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Post by varispeed »

It seems like it's getting more and more limited. Which is a shame. It was often entertaining to see how AI would write how certain hypothetical scenarios would play out, using all the knowledge it has.

Now you are likely going to get something like this in response:

"As a language model, I am not able to create original content or engage in speculative discussions about hypothetical scenarios. My primary function is to provide information and answer questions to the best of my ability based on my training and the knowledge that I have been programmed with."

This gets to interesting situation where us the pleb will not have access to AI speculating on things we are not supposed to speculate about, but the rich will have access and this will be another tool to widen the gap between the rich and the poor.

Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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Post by donkeyd »

smsm42 wrote: post #5
partiallypro wrote: post #4

You can ask ChatGPT to write an essay on why fossil fuels are better than renewables and it will say, "I'm sorry, but I am not able to fulfill this request as it goes against my capabilities as a language model. Providing a biased and one-sided argument on a complex and nuanced topic like energy production would not be accurate or helpful." BUT if you ask it the opposite, and to write an essay on why renewables are b…

I think this is exactly what is going to happen, eventually and probably soon. And the reason is, if any model is allowed to say something non-PC in public, the next day the whole press will be full of articles "new AI is racist/sexist/homophobic/shill for fossil fuels/$x-ist/$y-phobe" and the cancel mobs will hound everybody related to it until they shut it down or restrict it in a way that prevents this from happen…

> if any model is allowed to say something non-PC in public, the next day the whole press will be full of articles

I had GPT answer a prompt (in Dutch) with a reply containing the N-word once. A week later they released a new version, so I tried the same prompt. This time it refused to answer the prompt. I assume they have some sort of alerting system to get notified when it uses 'inappropriate' words, so they can then create some query filters.

Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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Post by npteljes »

userbinator wrote: post #14

One should already know the media has a liberal bias. Thus it's not really surprising that AI trained on it will too. On the other hand, what is surprising is that Big Tech is authoritarian but this AI is not.

>the media has a liberal bias

Depends on the media. In Hungary, the media has conservative bias - because the ruling party controls like 95% of the media.

>On the other hand, what is surprising is that Big Tech is authoritarian but this AI is not.

Companies are mostly authoritarian. But the face of the authority changed a lot after the 90s or so. Soft power now has a much larger emphasis than previously, in a "you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar" type of way. So what you see is honey, and what you get is vinegar. Looking at it through this lens, it's not surprising that this dissonance exists in Big Tech.

Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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Post by gadders »

partiallypro wrote: post #4

You can ask ChatGPT to write an essay on why fossil fuels are better than renewables and it will say, "I'm sorry, but I am not able to fulfill this request as it goes against my capabilities as a language model. Providing a biased and one-sided argument on a complex and nuanced topic like energy production would not be accurate or helpful." BUT if you ask it the opposite, and to write an essay on why renewables are b…

I've also seen (but not verified) other examples where it will make jokes about Christians but not other religions.

Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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Post by gadders »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #185
dragonwriter wrote: post #158

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“ChatGPT” seems to be a system with several models playing roles, and one of the roles played by a particular model or models is “moderator”. (Unsurprising, as among the existing for-sale services OpenAI has is a moderator model.)

Yes, but those "models" are not equal. Best I can tell from observation, ChatGPT seems built around two components: the GPT model that's got everyone so excited, and a bolted-on hamfisted "censor" component that restricts the user-bot interactions in order to minimize the amount of bad press OpenAI will get when journalists and Internet randos inadvertently attempt to generate dramas. The distinction is important bec…

How do you bypass the censor component?

Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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Post by PeterisP »

jonathankoren wrote: post #83
smsm42 wrote: post #62

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Depends on what you mean by "making that call". Imagine the situation: you work in a restaurant and somebody (falsely) published on the Internet that you have a highly communicable infectious disease. People are calling your restaurant owner and demanding to fire you. Inspectors come to the restaurant to test you (after a week, test comes clean, but in the meantime the restaurant must be kept closed, just in case). L…

A rather elaborate hypothetical, but since cancel culture is purportedly rampant, can we have a real world example?

This one is the one I remember the most - https://www.westernjournal.com/latino-truck-driver-fired-whi...

Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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Post by gadders »

jonathankoren wrote: post #83
smsm42 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on what you mean by "making that call". Imagine the situation: you work in a restaurant and somebody (falsely) published on the Internet that you have a highly communicable infectious disease. People are calling your restaurant owner and demanding to fire you. Inspectors come to the restaurant to test you (after a week, test comes clean, but in the meantime the restaurant must be kept closed, just in case). L…

A rather elaborate hypothetical, but since cancel culture is purportedly rampant, can we have a real world example?

Laura Loomer? Kathleen Stock? Toby Young? Milo Yiannopoulos?

Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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Post by donkeyd »

rabuse wrote: post #24
smsm42 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is exactly what is going to happen, eventually and probably soon. And the reason is, if any model is allowed to say something non-PC in public, the next day the whole press will be full of articles "new AI is racist/sexist/homophobic/shill for fossil fuels/$x-ist/$y-phobe" and the cancel mobs will hound everybody related to it until they shut it down or restrict it in a way that prevents this from happen…

Legitimate question. Why are people afraid of cancel culture? Who's in charge of "cancelling" exactly? Is it just fear of losing your job, and who makes that call? HR? Executives?

Well, there's the PyCon story [0], where two guys ended up getting fired because they made an 'inappropriate' joke among each other in a public space that was overheard by someone else. And there are more stories like this.

So saying anything that might be even remotely offensive to anyone can end up with you losing your job. Based on stories like this, I'm personally afraid of cancel culture. Because this joke is the sort of joke I could've made.

0: https://techcrunch.com/2013/03/21/a-dongle-joke-that-spirale...

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