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I Lost All Faith in LastPass

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Re: I Lost All Faith in LastPass

#201

question for those who know: for those of us in apple ecosystem, is just relying on their keychain an acceptable alternative to a third-party password manager company?

Relying on your browser/OS password manager is, for the vast majority of people, a better alternative. These days you get pretty decent integration even if you use Chrome on macOS and want your passwords to show up on your iPhone.

Re: I Lost All Faith in LastPass

#202

question for those who know: for those of us in apple ecosystem, is just relying on their keychain an acceptable alternative to a third-party password manager company?

Also how, say, firefox's password manager compares. I've tried to look up technical comparisons before but found them unconvincing (making clearly outdated or incorrect claims). You can get the standalone managers compared to each other, but the non-standalones are missing.

I do know the answer to this - Firefox is not an acceptable alternative to a strong password manager. Local admin can dump any passwords from Firefox, and I think a user can even dump their own passwords from Firefox on windows and Linux.

Re: I Lost All Faith in LastPass

#203

When I see people running to 1Password, I'm really concerned. I don't know whether 1Password has somewhat of a following cult here or they're doing some astroturfing in this community. But 1Password claims are the same claims as LastPass used to have. (zero trust, secure, …) And now we're discovering that LastPass was totally lying. We have no way of knowing whether 1Password is telling the truth. For me, my password…

Not dismissing anything you said regarding 1PW but they also had cure53 audits. See e.g. - https://cure53.de/pentest-report_1password-b5.pdf - https://cure53.de/pentest-report_1password-mobile.pdf Edit: overview of audits https://support.1password.com/security-assessments/

These are pen-tests and black-box security audits. While they're definitely better than nothing, and they would show that their security is better than LastPass', the code was never audited.

Re: I Lost All Faith in LastPass

#204
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> In fact, if password management is done correctly, I should be able to host my vault anywhere, even openly downloadable (open S3 bucket, unauthenticated HTTPS, etc.) without concern This is the key point. Properly implemented, you should feel very relaxed if your encrypted data is leaked. I'm using BitWarden, but 1Password's "secret key" concept is smart, it means your data is still very secure even if your passwor…

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Re: I Lost All Faith in LastPass

#205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people don't read open source and instead trust that the experts will catch any issues....

It's turtles all the way down. Would you rather NOT have the option for other experts to see the code?

When the tool is opened sourced honest and rogue security experts are going to go through it.

Now how much value is the first adding versus the second removing is the case. And based on incentives for each, an honest security research maybe getting a small bug bounty, and a rogue one potentially gaining access to 10's of thousands of accounts I think it might be a net negative overall.

Re: I Lost All Faith in LastPass

#206

When I see people running to 1Password, I'm really concerned. I don't know whether 1Password has somewhat of a following cult here or they're doing some astroturfing in this community. But 1Password claims are the same claims as LastPass used to have. (zero trust, secure, …) And now we're discovering that LastPass was totally lying. We have no way of knowing whether 1Password is telling the truth. For me, my password…

On top of that, they’ve made their client software prettier and slower, but not really more usable IMHO. I migrated to BitWarden and don’t think the user experience is any worse.

I use 1Password but the slowly worsening/slowening UI and move to a subscription model, along with the fact I can’t even upgrade to the latest version because I still sync my own vault are making me look around for an escape hatch.

I guess it’s the Keepass family of apps, or perhaps Bitwarden, but it’s disappointing to even have to think about switching.

Re: I Lost All Faith in LastPass

#207

> I'm less thrilled about it being written in a garbage collected language What are the security problems with garbage-collected languages? (not being sarcastic, don't have an agenda, I have no previous knowledge on this, and am not a security expert. Just had never heard this suggested before, and am curious what he meant. Legit question!)

I buy the explanations that they mostly want to be able to explicitly overwrite sensitive memory at a time of their choosing.

My question: does the nondeterministic execution pauses that garbage collection injects into a program's runtime aid or prevent timing attacks?

It seems like it would prevent them, since it makes it that much harder to predict execution duration, but I have this vague impression that high-security operations are more likely to demand real-time computing. Maybe that's just incidental, and applications that must highly perform also tend to need to be secured from attack?

Re: I Lost All Faith in LastPass

#210

question for those who know: for those of us in apple ecosystem, is just relying on their keychain an acceptable alternative to a third-party password manager company?

Seems unnecessarily risky. Do they have an export flow? What if you get a non Apple device?
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