"Binance has said it holds more than $60bn in assets, enough to honour withdrawals. The company’s disclosures do not include its liabilities, which makes it difficult to ascertain its financial health." Possibilities: 1) They're insolvent. Liabilities exceed assets. (Like FTX.) 2) Their accounting is so screwed up they can't produce a balance sheet. (Like FTX). 3) They have a large number of interconnected corporate…
Binance outflows hit $6B as Mazars halts ‘proof of reserves’ work
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#202This feels a lot like how a credit crunch happens with regular money. "Coins you own keys to = Coins in some online wallet = coins on exchanges = coins you lent out for interest" is the assumption everyone makes. They're all different types of assets but normal market conditions create the illusion they're all one and the same. There's 1 1 exchange possible, you can easily move coins from an exchange to your wallet,…
And if the funds are held in a regular account the Fed or other local institution like that will likely make you whole up to a point (usually $100K or thereabouts). As soon as you go unregulated that is no longer the case.
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#203Earlier quoted context omitted.
You would be surprised at human greed. Was it last week when there was an interview with several "investors", and pretty much all of them admitted they knew they were speculating in a highly volatile and unregulated market before they lost all their savings in FTX' crash? They knew the risks, they tried anyway, some really needed that money.
It is greed for sure. But it is also the lack of legit opportunities to invest, unless one is an accredited investor. I found a handful of places I wanted to invest, but I can't, because I am not an accredited investor. I am left with stock market and crypto. It is super funny (sad?) that I can go to Vegas and blow up my life savings in a matter of hours. There are no rules to save me from that. But there are rules c…
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#204Why doesn't Binance flex and encourage a complete withdrawal by say Jan 1? Wouldn't that kind of power move boost its reputation above all competitors?
Chances are they'll be dead if enough people act on that. So they're doing the opposite: reassuring people that everything is fine. If there is one common element that precedes every bank run and run on crypto exchanges and such then it is the 'everything is fine' phase just prior to the implosion.
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#205"Binance has said it holds more than $60bn in assets, enough to honour withdrawals. The company’s disclosures do not include its liabilities, which makes it difficult to ascertain its financial health." Possibilities: 1) They're insolvent. Liabilities exceed assets. (Like FTX.) 2) Their accounting is so screwed up they can't produce a balance sheet. (Like FTX). 3) They have a large number of interconnected corporate…
5) Like tether they are solvent despite all the people screaming for an audit
Right, but tether isn’t solvent either
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#206Earlier quoted context omitted.
And if the funds are held in a regular account the Fed or other local institution like that will likely make you whole up to a point (usually $100K or thereabouts). As soon as you go unregulated that is no longer the case.
FDIC, they collect fees from all banks to finance the fund they pay out account holders from. Limit increased too I think, like 250k now.
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#207Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well for starters they have over a thousand employees, plus office leases, plus I'm sure cloud provider fees, marketing, and more. There are expenses for sure.
It's definitely strange. Binance did $40 billion in volume in the last 24 hours. Even if their effective fee is only 1/100 of a percent that's $4 million. If we assume they do half that volume every day on average that's 730 million in revenue per year. Surely costs can't be that high?
It didn't
> Even if their effective fee is only 1/100 of a percent that's $4 million.
It's not.
The reason? They "traded" fictitious currencies whose "value" is pure speculation and nonsense. Their fees are also denominated in these fictitious currencies.
However, neither the offices they rent nor the people they employ have any interest in these, because rent and salaries are paid in something that actually has value: the dollar.
Now, where does the actual money come from is a good question, but I'm too lazy to read their SEC filing.
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#208"Binance has said it holds more than $60bn in assets, enough to honour withdrawals. The company’s disclosures do not include its liabilities, which makes it difficult to ascertain its financial health." Possibilities: 1) They're insolvent. Liabilities exceed assets. (Like FTX.) 2) Their accounting is so screwed up they can't produce a balance sheet. (Like FTX). 3) They have a large number of interconnected corporate…
5) Like tether they are solvent despite all the people screaming for an audit
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#209Earlier quoted context omitted.
For now at least with Coinbase it is the investors funds at risk, not the customers funds. And that example shows how hard it is to run such a business profitably.
> ... with Coinbase it is the investors funds at risk, not the customers funds Oh boy are you in for a surprise: "In its quarterly report, Coinbase added a risk disclosure: if the company were to file for bankruptcy, the court might treat customer assets that the exchange is custodian for -- their Bitcoin, Dogecoin or whatever -- as Coinbase’s assets. And they’d be at the back of the line for repayment, forcing norma…
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#210Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ouch. Thanks for that. I wonder why the normal customer funds segregation rules do not apply to crypto assets.
See the full text from the SEC filing: "due to the novelty of crypto assets, courts have not yet considered this type of treatment for custodied crypto assets" Basically, there's no legal precedent. It's anyone's best guess.
We’re about to find out soon.