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Graph showing level of Covid, flu and RSV in US wastewater systems, by city

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>Covering your face, as a primate, is not a natural thing to do. 1) Neither is wearing pants or a shirt. 2) Something being 'natural' doesn't make it right. >Assuming that obscuring the face has zero cost is clearly wrong. It doesn't need to have zero cost in order to be the correct thing to do. The question is whether or not the trade-off is worthwhile. Let's saying masking always under all conditions is too much of…

> It doesn't need to have zero cost in order to be the correct thing to do. The question is whether or not the trade-off is worthwhile. I don't dispute this. You're more than welcome to continue doing whatever you want and make that trade-off for yourself. I won't be participating, because to me, the value of seeing human faces vastly exceeds the benefit of avoiding a cold (assuming that is even achievable, which I d…

>But the metaphor of "pants" is absurd.

Yes that's the point. It's a reductio ab absurdem. The pant metaphor is obviously absurd for the same reason that the initial position you posited is absurd. In order to salvage your initial position, you need to differentiate the logic or premises from the absurd argumentation.

Pants and Shirts aren't symbols of fear and control despite being mandated in most areas of public life, but shackles, prison garb and other elements of clothing certainly would be. Therefore there's an element other than being mandated that makes clothing a symbol of fear and control. This is what the pants metaphor shows.

>I won't be participating, because to me, the value of seeing human faces vastly exceeds the benefit of avoiding a cold. This is also reductive (not the personal choice aspect, but rather how it ties into the original discussion of masks as symbols of fear and control); would you agree with the faces over mask rule during a surgery with patients susceptible to infection? Would you consider hospital rules that OR staff wear masks during such surgeries to be authoritarian overreach?

I think if you're willing to admit that 1) there are public health concerns associated with the COVID-19 pandemic and 2) that there's a trade-off to be made, then "I won't be participating" is a bit too absolutist to flow from the remainder of your beliefs. Certainly you can try refining a condition like "masking in high density communal areas during respiratory disease seasons" to be more or less restrictive rather than ignoring the issue altogether.

If we can do that, we can have a more meaningful discussion about where masking could be appropriate, rather than discussing whether or not it should occur at all.

Re: Graph showing level of Covid, flu and RSV in US wastewater systems, by city

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It seems anything that could hurt pfizer or Moderna stock is "misinformation". "In fact, Furness likens the immune system to a collection of photographs. When people take photos and put them away in an album, the photos don’t fade over time just because they aren’t being looked at regularly." By that logic I must not need my yearly flu shot because my flu "photo" hasn't faded. Clearly if I wasn't exposed to rsv (and…

The 2021 flu shot was a different vaccine than the 2022 flu shot. Or to stretch the analogy, it's a different photo of a similar subject

Yes but the tetanus toxoid is the same toxoid it's always been. It is disingenuous to suggest that the immune system doesn't atrophy some with time. It's much more nuanced really, but humoral immunity in particular wanes with time.

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I am a medical resident working in WA state, just spent a month in the ICU, can confirm the shortages are primarily nurse based, not bed based. Also note that while I saw several influenza cases in the icu, I didn't see any covid.

Btw masks work for influenza too! I plan to keep wearing masks during viral outbreaks. Why not? Beats the hell out of being sick.

I myself don't mind wearing a mask, but in general I don't believe we should force others to do so in most circumstances.

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If I was surrounded by falling bricks I’d definitely consider it! For me the costs aren’t just wearing a mask or getting sick. I also have vulnerable people in my life. My partner, their partners, my elderly parents, friends with unknown connections. If I walked around the grocery store without a mask I could at any time pick up the virus and even if I don’t get very sick I could give it to friends or loved ones. So…

You can relax in public without the mask as well. There are more pressing moral and social concerns in our day to day lives.

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Re: Graph showing level of Covid, flu and RSV in US wastewater systems, by city

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> Being killed by a falling brick is a very clear cost. > How would you characterize the costs associated with wearing a hard hat most of the time when in public? But wait, that's a very different question. The original comment was "I'd rather be sick for 2 weeks than wear a mask every day." You're not saying that you'd rather be killed by a falling brick than wear a hardhat every day, surely.

he'd rather _risk_ being killed by a brick than wear a hard hat everywhere. same as me. you should definitely wear one and a mask and also other safety devices like a kevlar west, hard tip shoes etc

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Small outlier countries like Germany, where I still see masks regularly in various settings, and where FFP2 masks are either still mandatory in public transport or just stopped being mandatory a few days ago. Also mandatory in doctor's offices, hospitals.

When I was in Germany at the end of this September, there were certainly plenty of signs saying masks were mandatory on public transport. Compliance with said signs, however, was well south of 50%.

I ride the subway almost every day and that's not been my experience. I guess it varies by region.

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Small outlier countries like Germany, where I still see masks regularly in various settings, and where FFP2 masks are either still mandatory in public transport or just stopped being mandatory a few days ago. Also mandatory in doctor's offices, hospitals.

To be fair, Germans are famously paranoid about health. Are you keeping your kidneys covered so you don’t catch a cold?

Germans are famously paranoid about health?

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Small outlier countries like Germany, where I still see masks regularly in various settings, and where FFP2 masks are either still mandatory in public transport or just stopped being mandatory a few days ago. Also mandatory in doctor's offices, hospitals.

Yes, Germany is one of those few outliers in the 27 EU countries / Europe 44. Land mass or self-perceived importance from within notwithstanding. The result of Germany’s remarkable interventions is remarkable in its mediocrity.

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Re: Graph showing level of Covid, flu and RSV in US wastewater systems, by city

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I am continually surprised at how many people don’t wear masks at places like the grocery store even as cases are rising. I got covid over the summer and it was horrible! I lost two weeks of work which was a lot of money to lose, missed multiple dates with my partner I would have really enjoyed and felt totally isolated. Then I felt fatigue and brain fog for months afterwards. Afterwards I got the bivalent vaccine so…

I'd rather be sick for 2 weeks than wear a mask every day. Surveying those around me I'd say 98% came to the same conclusion.

Especially considering I can mask all the way in all public spaces, my kid will bring all the viruses from public schools all the same.

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The longer a society wears masks, the sicker everyone will be when they eventually come off. In the formerly overly cautious US Northeast, kids are getting sick left and right this school year. And COVID is the least dangerous bold-faced name they need to worry about.

This is an absolute myth. There is no evidence of "immunity debt", and serious public officials parrotting this nonsense are doing real damage. It's a tempting explanation because it's simple and seems to make intuitive sense, but it's just wrong. The explanation that has much more evidence is that everyone and their dog caught COVID, and COVID has been directly linked to lasting immune system damage, making everyone…

There is no evidence of "immunity debt", and waning immunity are one and the same. So if think one is myth, you believe both are myths.
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