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US Department of Energy: Fusion Ignition Achieved

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Re: US Department of Energy: Fusion Ignition Achieved

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Widespread energy generation nuclear fission is politically impossible in most Western countries. Why are people optimistic that fusion won't have the same kind of problems, such as new plants being too expensive to build and old obsolete plants being too useful to decommission?

IIUC, there is no concern about radioactivity with fusion.

Re: US Department of Energy: Fusion Ignition Achieved

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I tried to do some back-of-the-envelope calculations on what this means in regards to energy costs being saved, because I couldn't find a direct source (maybe GPT could help actually). Anyway, based on ITER [1] to equate the energy production of a 1000MW coal plant you would need 2.7t of coal for that plant or 250kg of deuterium and tritium for the fusion reactor (split equally). Based on [2] deuetrium costs about ~$…

[0] provides economic analysis for this type of power plant. They conclude it would not be unreasonable to get levelized cost of energy could get as low as $25/MWh. For this one really needs a high gain of 1000, although gains of 400 are a bit more reasonable, and a gain of around 100 may be economically competitive in some cases. While the gain NIF achieved was about 1.5, there is good reason to expect it can be sca…

Thanks a ton for that! $25/MWh is great but not the 10x economic impact I expected. Especially since [1] we see PV at $50/MWh currently.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source

Re: US Department of Energy: Fusion Ignition Achieved

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> LLNL’s experiment surpassed the fusion threshold by delivering 2.05 megajoules (MJ) of energy to the target, resulting in 3.15 MJ of fusion energy output, demonstrating for the first time a most fundamental science basis for inertial fusion energy (IFE) Yesterday, everyone was complaining about the 2.2:2.0 ratio, but now we're working with 3.15:2.05. With modern lasers, that'd be a total Q of 0.375 assuming 100% ef…

The funding does seem miniscule given we spend 100x more on funding military excursions in the name of energy security

Is the bottleneck for fusion money though?

Re: US Department of Energy: Fusion Ignition Achieved

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> LLNL’s experiment surpassed the fusion threshold by delivering 2.05 megajoules (MJ) of energy to the target, resulting in 3.15 MJ of fusion energy output, demonstrating for the first time a most fundamental science basis for inertial fusion energy (IFE) Yesterday, everyone was complaining about the 2.2:2.0 ratio, but now we're working with 3.15:2.05. With modern lasers, that'd be a total Q of 0.375 assuming 100% ef…

This is a stupid question but I don't know anything about fusion: How is it possible for X energy to create X+Y energy in output? Doesn't that violate some fundamental law of physics?

The Y comes from the mass of matter converted in to energy. The mass of the material before the reaction is greater than the mass of its products.

The law you're referring to might be the conservation of energy, but that applies to non-nuclear reactions and is more accurately called the law of conservation of mass-energy. In this case the energy in times the mass at the start is still equal to the energy out times the mass at the end. For the energy to increase, the mass must decrease to produce the Y in your equation.

Re: US Department of Energy: Fusion Ignition Achieved

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Q needs to be something like 500 to 1000, not because of energy breakeven, but to produce enough energy that the shot is financially positive. The amount of fusion energy produced in this shot is worth a penny or two. (And even then, it's dubious a laser fusion scheme will be competitive with other energy sources.)

>The Q needs to be something like 500 to 1000 Why wouldn't a final Q of 50 be economically viable? Interest on capital costs? Other?

Capital cost, cost of individual targets.

Re: US Department of Energy: Fusion Ignition Achieved

#207

Widespread energy generation nuclear fission is politically impossible in most Western countries. Why are people optimistic that fusion won't have the same kind of problems, such as new plants being too expensive to build and old obsolete plants being too useful to decommission?

I'm sure they said the same thing about coal plants before any of them ever existed

Re: US Department of Energy: Fusion Ignition Achieved

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I'm still a little unclear on the benefits that fusion offers compared to things like wind and solar. I understand that we need to develop better storage technologies for the energy produced by wind and solar, but that seems so much easier than the challenges currently facing fusion. Wind and solar just seem so far ahead of fusion already - they're pretty cheap and very widely deployed on a global scale. In compariso…

Solar and wind have massive environmental impacts. Fusion's foot print is much smaller for the same output. Batteries are rather dangerous. Fusion is -- as far as I understand it -- much less likely to escape a reactor due to how difficult it is to sustain the reaction. Moreover, it's more dependable.

So in sum, the advantages are (1) dependability, (2) safety, and (3) small footprint.

Re: US Department of Energy: Fusion Ignition Achieved

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Here's your most exciting paragraph > LLNL’s experiment surpassed the fusion threshold by delivering 2.05 megajoules (MJ) of energy to the target, resulting in 3.15 MJ of fusion energy output, demonstrating for the first time a most fundamental science basis for inertial fusion energy (IFE). Many advanced science and technology developments are still needed to achieve simple, affordable IFE to power homes and busines…

The question on my mind is: where do I sign up to join this effort?! Edit: I'm Canadian, the question is rhetorical.

Assuming you have experience in software, then https://www.llnl.gov/join-our-team/careers/find-your-job/0d6...

Re: US Department of Energy: Fusion Ignition Achieved

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Here's your most exciting paragraph > LLNL’s experiment surpassed the fusion threshold by delivering 2.05 megajoules (MJ) of energy to the target, resulting in 3.15 MJ of fusion energy output, demonstrating for the first time a most fundamental science basis for inertial fusion energy (IFE). Many advanced science and technology developments are still needed to achieve simple, affordable IFE to power homes and busines…

The question on my mind is: where do I sign up to join this effort?! Edit: I'm Canadian, the question is rhetorical.

https://www.llnl.gov/join-our-team/careers
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