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Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by smeej »

lozenge wrote: post #149
zerr wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you receive the check, shouldn't you go to the bank and withdraw the cash with that? And bank lets you know that it is a fake check, thus denying the withdrawal. At what stage and why are you required to send your cash to someone else?

No, the bank doesn't know if it's a fake check straight away. They find out weeks later during a reconciliation process with the bank that printed the check.

And if you've attempted to withdraw it, they immediately become very suspicious that you knew it was fake and were trying to steal from them.

Good luck convincing them otherwise!

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by sgerenser »

lozenge wrote: post #149
zerr wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you receive the check, shouldn't you go to the bank and withdraw the cash with that? And bank lets you know that it is a fake check, thus denying the withdrawal. At what stage and why are you required to send your cash to someone else?

No, the bank doesn't know if it's a fake check straight away. They find out weeks later during a reconciliation process with the bank that printed the check.

To add more context: the check is usually not completely fake. It has a legit bank routing and account number on it, typically a business that is also being scammed. So the money will likely actually get withdrawn from some random business’s account and only discovered weeks or even months later.

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by matkoniecz »

machina_ex_deus wrote: post #166
Jiro wrote: post #152

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In order for a gift to serve its social function, it must be specifically matched to its recipient. Cash is not specifically matched to its recipient. (The exception is if there's some other social expectation that specifically says that the gift should be cash, like Jewish wedding gifts).

Isn't wedding gift being cash the standard thing? Do you bring gift items to weddings? I always thought the standard of bringing cash to help them pay back for the cost of the event was standard everywhere. This is a Jewish thing? It kind of explains why weddings in Israel are so expensive, I heard it's almost cheaper to buy flight tickets to buy wedding dress in another country.

> This is a Jewish thing?

Not only, it is normal also in Poland (though it is normal that people give both physical gift and cash).

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by unyttigfjelltol »

alanfranz wrote: post #136
zorrolovsky wrote: post #103

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This post seem to blame victims for the problem, and that is not fair. People can be in dark places mentally, struggle with disease, family issues, etc. Not everybody is mentally sharp 100% of the time to identify a scam attack and fight it back. The problem is not victims, the problem is scammers. There should be better mechanisms to quickly clamp down on them. In this case, it would be really good if there was a me…

^ this. I was scammed about EUR 1500 some 7 years ago. It didn’t seem a scam: the price for an item was low but not too low, the identity of the seller I could verify. But the item ultimately didn’t arrive, and I didn’t know that for italian law it’s considered an “unfulfilled contract” rather than fraud, and requires a civil rather than a criminal case, which would turn out far too costly. But the point is: I didn’t…

> or italian law it’s considered an “unfulfilled contract” rather than fraud

That's crazy, but the same binary outcomes also exist in US law. Some states make very clear (to civil litigants' chagrin) that closing a sale with no intent to perform is a fraud; others haven't made that so clear; and, always, it's how you explain your situation to the gatekeeper that determines whether you might qualify for one side or the other.

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by stavros »

lmarcos wrote: post #172
nigamanth wrote: post #6

To be honest, one can easily realize that this "Marc Cannon" is a fake with the amount of spelling and grammatical errors he makes. Real professionals do not make spelling and grammar errors such as: "Do you have any other question ?" "Good morning how are you this morning." "I will send you later" "Good morning, How are you doing today ?" "This is very disrespectful and all director are to meet you for training on m…

But what difference does it make? If I were a scammer I would: - buy a domain for 20 USD/year and create the corresponding hr@MyNiceAndSeriousLookingDomain.com - do what the scammer did in the blog post but without grammatical errors (I could even use chatgpt for that) and alway using my custom email address See. That's easy to fake. If people are willing to pay the scammers, then the grammar errors and proton emails…

Because the real domain is already taken by the real company.

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by pannSun »

zorrolovsky wrote: post #103
ryandrake wrote: post #48

Great job figuring out it was a scam but honestly, it’s crazy that these things still work on anyone all the way in 2022. You would think that by now every human being that walks the earth would know that whenever someone you don’t know sends you “money” and then requests you send it back (or to another party) in a different form, it’s always a scam. There should be some ceremony whenever someone turns 16 or somethin…

This post seem to blame victims for the problem, and that is not fair. People can be in dark places mentally, struggle with disease, family issues, etc. Not everybody is mentally sharp 100% of the time to identify a scam attack and fight it back. The problem is not victims, the problem is scammers. There should be better mechanisms to quickly clamp down on them. In this case, it would be really good if there was a me…

> This post seem to blame victims for the problem

I interpreted the parent post as describing a mere "contributing cause", but you seem to be saying the post is assigning moral guilt to the victims. Why? And how can we discuss preventative measures that potential victims of any crime (or accident) can take, if the two are so often conflated?

E.g. is teaching people self-defense equivalent to blaming them for successful physical assaults upon them?

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by goto11 »

_vertigo wrote: post #80
abhinav061 wrote: post #77

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Scammers intentionally make grammatical mistakes. If you can spot the mistakes, they don't want to engage with you. (Of course, there are other reasons why would one spot yet ignore grammatical mistakes - sometimes it is because of the personal situation they are in, sometimes it's of empathy towards non-native English speakers)

I’ve heard this a lot, but is it actually true?

Unlikely. I believe it started as a hypothesis to explain the many spelling errors in scam mails, but I don't think this have ever been confirmed to be intentional.

Hanlons Razor is probably appropriate here.

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by [deleted] »

rippercushions wrote: post #61
silisili wrote: post #58

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Sorry that happened to her. There's also some mental concept where people already got started or went so far, and subconsciously don't want to believe they've been had, so keep going. I'm sure there's a name for it, I can't be bothered to look up. It's why romance scams are so common, and also why that McDonald's manager undressed that employee, for example. Fascinating, but sad.

The McDonalds manager story in question: https://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=3688563&page=1 Which would be completely unbelievable if there wasn't security footage of the whole thing!

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Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by bitcharmer »

minimaul wrote: post #182
itgoon wrote: post #65

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That was the biggest flag to me. Nobody in any kind of business uses @gmail.com. Maybe some Etsy person selling out of their extra bedroom, but that's it. Domain names and email hosting is too cheap to use gmail for business. Even if it was a legit business, I'd stay away if they couldn't be bothered to do that minimum.

It's not just the use of @gmail.com, it's the fact that it's clearly an autogenerated address with random chars that tripped me. If it was claiming to be a small business from companyname@gmail.com, I'd be less suspicious - but a large corporate not using their own domain for mail, the email address itself, and the then switching to a second email address are all giant red flags for me.

Exactly this. How these email addresses didn't raise any red flags is beyond me.

Looks like many people are much more gullible than I ever imagined.

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