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Re: Chris Seaton has died

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My god this is awful. He was brilliant, accomplished, and kind. A few days ago he announced his 'permanent rest' ( https://twitter.com/ChrisGSeaton/status/1599108759183577088 ). I'd thought it meant from the Ruby community and that the replies asking if he needed help were reading too much into the wording.

I replied to that tweet not long after he made it. I didn't read between the lines of what it could have meant.

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As a teenage, Chris (or Kit as some in his family knew him) made pocket-money from a programme he wrote in his bedroom in Chandlers Ford call password safe. RIP

Between the childhood information and username, it seems like you're related to Chris. Are you related? I appreciate the little detail. It seems he's always been ahead of his time.

Know that he's had a huge impact on the Ruby community and the world.

I knew him online for years, but met in person for the first time last week. He spoke fondly of his ongoing trip and spoke with passion about tech projects.

The lunch was at a taco truck. He ordered a meal made of fries covered with various taco toppings. I remember pickled red onions at the very top. He left before the group was finished saying he had to go pair with someone. I felt uplifted about the interaction. I even brought it up to my spouse and my visiting parents when I got back from the conf.

I can only guess how he was feeling at the time, he seemed busy but cheerful.

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I think you're wanting to honor him. I think there's a way to do that that also doesn't glamorize or encourage or increase the odds of future suicides. I found this post to be helpful:

https://www.healthyplace.com/blogs/livingablissfullife/2019/...

Not all suicide is preventable, but some are. It's a noble and empowering reaction for people in pain to try to save others from the same pain.

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There is literally nothing aggressive about depression.

Then why are people suffering depression packed full of stress response hormones? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOAgplgTxfc

Are you familiar with the expression "fight or flight"? They feel a need to flee, but there is nowhere to go.

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Optimism is trying to convince yourself things are better than they are, hope is the idea that things can actually get better.

Thanks. By that definition, optimism is just a bad thing.

Optimism provides a useful safeguard against depression in the first place. It's called the optimism bias. If people think too realistically (or, perhaps it's better to say glumly because it may still not be realistic even if more realistic) without regular doses of optimism that realism may turn into longer periods of despondency, and we know where that leads.

As I recall, around 80% of people have the optimism bias. The rest are prone to depression.

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I find the statistics surrounding death to be quite sobering. I was at an annual event with 1000 other people and for whatever reason got to wondering if everyone would return the next year. Being a nerd, some calculations occurred and it turned out that would be pretty much impossible as at least a few attendees would die (of any cause) before then. It's rather stoic but makes me appreciate things a little more. The…

The Ruby community also seems to attract a lot of fantastic people. I'm not a part of it and never have been but from the outside looking in it looks like one of the most welcoming eco-systems out there.

You're not wrong, but I also think there are fantastic people in most communities oriented around creative, technical projects. I've just been getting into Python as wow, there are certainly some hyper productive interesting individuals there! HN too, of course ;-)

One thing Rubyists were particularly good at, though, was rapidly adopting new methods of sharing ideas, such as screencasting, git, blogging, Twitter, etc. so a lot of Ruby and Rails ideas spread more quickly than they might have from other communities. Currently the Rust and ML communities seem to have this sort of edge.

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I had lunch with him on Wednesday and wish I said more. I also worry about the hidden pressures of praise. A overly critical inner life can interpret it as “I like you as long as you are useful” which is of course not the truth. I have appreciation for the creators in my life, even when they no longer create.

>I like you as long as you are useful” which is of course not the truth. I think that's the problem with depression disease: no matter what most people tell you, your brain will find a way to use it to dig the hole deeper. My wife has battled with minor depression and anxiety her whole life. I learned that more than trying to say things to cheer her up in the moment, i was more useful by looking for treatment. It's a…

    no matter what most people tell you, your 
    brain will find a way to use it to dig the 
    hole deeper.
"I've got them fooled. I'm a fraud, they just don't know it."

"They're just being nice."

"This good person's kind words and actions are wasted on a piece of crap like me. If I wasn't around, they could 'spend' that kindness on somebody who actually deserves it. I'm hurting the world just by being here."

"They're lying, and now I feel worse because they're lying"

"I hurt so bad inside, and it hurts so bad to wear this mask and graciously accept the praise"

"I hurt so bad inside that I wasn't able to accept the praise graciously, and now I actually feel even worse because I've been so rude to this nice person who praised me"

Yeah. It's a struggle.

Even when you logically know those things are false and it's "just the depression talking" it's very hard to break out of those thought patterns.

(Which is why practicing positivity and gratitude -- keeping a gratitude journal, etc -- is actually an effective part of treatment for me. I'm not sure if it's because of specific neuronal pathways being reinforced by specific repeated thought patterns or what but, from a practical perspective, I try to treat positivity like a muscle that I need to exercise)

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> A overly critical inner life can interpret it as “I like you as long as you are useful” That's me after most praise: "you say you like me because the stuff I can do will help you, or because you have some unstated aim to take advantage of me, or because you don't know that it could have been so much better". I don't know when, but at some point any expectation of honesty in praise just went out of the window. Becau…

I find some of the best advice for adults is found in advice for handling small children (I've got two kids). The new research/trend is to try to praise behavior rather than outcomes (or in addition). The other bit is to focus on their actions instead of it's impact on you. For example "I'm proud that you won that baseball game" places the focus on me and on the outcome of winning. Versus "I saw you really focused ou…

This is really insightful and I'm going to try and do more of this!

    Versus "I saw you really focused out there 
    in the outfield, I know getting distracted 
    between bats is easy and you've come a
    long way."
A wise mentor told me a variation on this a long time ago. He mentioned that one of the most powerful things you can do is simply let somebody know that you recognize what they're doing or how they're struggling.

example: "I see you working on those reports! There are a million of them coming in every day, and you're cranking them all out yourself."

You don't even necessarily need to praise them, per se. (Although honest praise is of course very cool) Just the act of letting them know, and noticing is super powerful.

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The Ruby community also seems to attract a lot of fantastic people. I'm not a part of it and never have been but from the outside looking in it looks like one of the most welcoming eco-systems out there.

You're not wrong, but I also think there are fantastic people in most communities oriented around creative, technical projects. I've just been getting into Python as wow, there are certainly some hyper productive interesting individuals there! HN too, of course ;-) One thing Rubyists were particularly good at, though, was rapidly adopting new methods of sharing ideas, such as screencasting, git, blogging, Twitter, et…

What strikes in particular about the Ruby community is - in order - a lack of being judgmental (also with respect to other eco-systems) as well as being very welcoming to beginners. That combined with the showing-by-doing attitude has my respect, this is something that should be a standard to live up to.
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