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Re: Waze Founder Noam Bardin is starting up a Twitter alternative

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Post by macspoofing »

dale_glass wrote: post #172
macspoofing wrote: post #156

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>That's incompetence It may well be. I guess it's a question of semantics. To me his ability to afford a money-losing company is the salient factor, not his chaotic early tenure as 'Chief Twit'. >> As bad as those things are, in-and-of themselves, they don't represent an existential crisis. >Why not? 1. Because none of his actions are irreversible. 2. If he acted responsibility, he still would be running a company th…

> 1. Because none of his actions are irreversible. They are partially reversible, but definitely not fully reversible. For example, there's no taking away that Musk started his tenure by angering advertisers. He can apologize, he can make amends, but there's no taking away that some amount of the damage will remain, if only because some companies already made new plans, allocated their budget, and aren't about to tel…

>if only because some companies already made new plans, allocated their budget, and aren't about to tell some other company that they changed their mind because Musk said "sorry".

How is that 'partially irreversible' ... a bunch of companies paused ad-buys for this quarter or maybe even next year. If Twitter becomes viable next year, you think advertisers wouldn't come back, this year, or next, or year after that?

>Well, if he couldn't afford it before making things even worse, how is that not an existential crisis?

That is the existential crisis. Not the incompetence, the lack of ability to afford Twitter. That would have been the case even if the early Musk tenure wasn't so chaotic.

Re: Waze Founder Noam Bardin is starting up a Twitter alternative

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Post by yunwal »

horsawlarway wrote: post #153
lelag wrote: post #72

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Tweets often do reach much further than active users of the Twitter platform as they are often embedded in mainstream news stories and such.

Sure - but that's true of every site on the web. Conflating mainstream media's reach with Twitter's is fairly disingenuous, since mainstream media also highlights basically every other platform in similar ways. The brief exception to this is politics - where Twitter was an easy way to get a relevant soundbite from a politician on a topic. I think that era is waning very quickly.

Definitely not true of every site on the web. I tried searching for mentions of hackernews (a relatively large forum, and also vc backed, not independent) on the nytimes website. One result https://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/24/magazine/the-3-10-13-issu...

Most media sources aren't embedded in small forums.

Re: Waze Founder Noam Bardin is starting up a Twitter alternative

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Post by dale_glass »

macspoofing wrote: post #201
dale_glass wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 1. Because none of his actions are irreversible. They are partially reversible, but definitely not fully reversible. For example, there's no taking away that Musk started his tenure by angering advertisers. He can apologize, he can make amends, but there's no taking away that some amount of the damage will remain, if only because some companies already made new plans, allocated their budget, and aren't about to tel…

>if only because some companies already made new plans, allocated their budget, and aren't about to tell some other company that they changed their mind because Musk said "sorry". How is that 'partially irreversible' ... a bunch of companies paused ad-buys for this quarter or maybe even next year. If Twitter becomes viable next year, you think advertisers wouldn't come back, this year, or next, or year after that? >W…

> How is that 'partially irreversible' ... a bunch of companies paused ad-buys for this quarter or maybe even next year. If Twitter becomes viable next year, you think advertisers wouldn't come back, this year, or next, or year after that?

Any lost money is irrevocably lost. If I skipped on advertising in 2023 because I think Musk is an asshat, and then change my mind in 2024, I'm not going to double my budget to compensate. The money I didn't spend on Twitter in 2023 was spent on something else, and for Twitter was lost forever.

Re: Waze Founder Noam Bardin is starting up a Twitter alternative

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Post by mikem170 »

ceres wrote: post #58
ransom1538 wrote: post #30

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"Why feed someone’s enterprise for free who will then turn it into a powerful walled garden," Saying this on HN is irony crystalized.

HN is not a powerful walled garden. It’s a site mostly used to share links and comments. Places like it abound on the internet. In case of any shenanigans, they’re liable to lose users to an alternative faster than you can say digg. Even though it’s owners are powerful people in tech, I’m willing to bet it’s not generating billions for them. And with anonymous accounts, their incentive to harvest data and use it for…

And hacker news content is searchable and accessible by anyone on the internet, not hidden like on so many other services.

This is a big deal for so many things, where solutions and advice can be retrieved instead of having to reinvent the wheel.

Re: Waze Founder Noam Bardin is starting up a Twitter alternative

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Post by macspoofing »

dale_glass wrote: post #203
macspoofing wrote: post #201

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>if only because some companies already made new plans, allocated their budget, and aren't about to tell some other company that they changed their mind because Musk said "sorry". How is that 'partially irreversible' ... a bunch of companies paused ad-buys for this quarter or maybe even next year. If Twitter becomes viable next year, you think advertisers wouldn't come back, this year, or next, or year after that? >W…

> How is that 'partially irreversible' ... a bunch of companies paused ad-buys for this quarter or maybe even next year. If Twitter becomes viable next year, you think advertisers wouldn't come back, this year, or next, or year after that? Any lost money is irrevocably lost. If I skipped on advertising in 2023 because I think Musk is an asshat, and then change my mind in 2024, I'm not going to double my budget to com…

>The money I didn't spend on Twitter in 2023 was spent on something else, and for Twitter was lost forever.

Uh huh.

You're just playing semantic games now. I think we've reached a steady state here.

Re: Waze Founder Noam Bardin is starting up a Twitter alternative

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Post by ceres »

e_i_pi_2 wrote: post #184
ceres wrote: post #18

I’m fed up with “platforms”. Growing a garden on someone else’s land is dumb and I think more people are starting to get it. Why feed someone’s enterprise for free who will then turn it into a powerful walled garden, make billions in profit while eventually dictating what you can and can’t do on said platform. To top it off, there’s very little upside to you as a user. Your own data is used against you. At this point…

> Growing a garden on someone else’s land is dumb and I think more people are starting to get it I've seen a lot of people talking about the need for a nationalized version of something like twitter as a result of seeing how much damage one person with money can do. That would make it more like a community garden where people are doing it on their own land, but communally owned and in the same location as other peopl…

I'd like to think that the "killer app" for the fediverse isn't going to be Mastodon or the other current alternatives but the ActivityPub protocol or something akin to it.

Whereas decentralized online communities have existed, they were mostly isolated which meant that users had to make multiple accounts if they wanted to participate in various niche interests.

Now that you can create one account in one server and still be able to participate in other federated communities in a "global square" if you wanted to is an important departure from communities of the past.

Re: Waze Founder Noam Bardin is starting up a Twitter alternative

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Post by dale_glass »

macspoofing wrote: post #206
dale_glass wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How is that 'partially irreversible' ... a bunch of companies paused ad-buys for this quarter or maybe even next year. If Twitter becomes viable next year, you think advertisers wouldn't come back, this year, or next, or year after that? Any lost money is irrevocably lost. If I skipped on advertising in 2023 because I think Musk is an asshat, and then change my mind in 2024, I'm not going to double my budget to com…

>The money I didn't spend on Twitter in 2023 was spent on something else, and for Twitter was lost forever. Uh huh. You're just playing semantic games now. I think we've reached a steady state here.

Not sure what's semantic or controversial here. If you take an unpaid year off work, you permanently lose a year's worth of wages. Yes, you will earn again next year, but the year you weren't earning isn't coming back. It's lost.

Same here.

Re: Waze Founder Noam Bardin is starting up a Twitter alternative

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Post by dang »

tokenadult wrote: post #128

OP here. My apologies for the phrase "Twitter alternative" in the article title, which is NOT exactly Noam Bardin's vision for the Post startup. I appreciate the comments here from HN users. I've hardly posted here in a long time, because in recent years I have posted mostly about politics, which is off-topic posting here on HN. A federated world of specialized online communities is an appealing idea, and I will be t…

Nice to see a tokenadult comment after I don't want to check how long!

Re: Waze Founder Noam Bardin is starting up a Twitter alternative

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Post by vinibrito »

prox wrote: post #121
tokenadult wrote: post #103

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The phrasing "Twitter alternative" is my fault in setting the title for the thread-opening post here. The "Twitter alternative" phrasing should not be attributed to the founder of Post. I get the impression that the founder, Noam Bardin, DOESN'T think he's building a Twitter alternative but rather, in the beta welcome page's words, "a civil place to debate ideas; learn from experts, journalists, individual creators,…

I like the goals and intent behind it, that alone is worth it. Most comments here don’t even debate Noams welcome words. A platform that isn’t a wild west race to the bottom of ad revenues? Sign me up! Micro payments for valued content? Heck yeah!

Existing platforms that use micropayments just end up filled with content optimized for micropayments. Just like reddit is filled with content that is optimized for upvotes.
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