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I personally wouldn’t agree that the only possible reaction to anything ad-supported is to like the ads, or else you are making some kind of logical or category error. The existence of ad blockers on the internet for example seems to indicate that not only do some people quite dislike the ads, they even spend time and energy to actually do something about it.
I don't claim that anyone has to like ads. Only that when someone self-describes as an "NBA fan", that sounds like they're saying they're a fan of the NBA overall. When in the next sentence they complain about ads, it sounds like there's an assumption that the ads are encroaching on the NBA, whereas they're an extremely deliberate action by the NBA. If someone said, I like watching basketball games but I don't like w…
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So saying something like “I like the modern internet for the most part but not the ads” would in your opinion be a similarly nonsensical statement?
Basically, yes. You're not going to get all these free services (search, email, etc.) for nothing; the price is the ads. Of course, some of us don't look at ads much, thanks to ad-blocking technologies, but enough people are too lazy or ignorant to do that, so that's how all this stuff is financed. If we eliminate ads, you can say goodbye to many "free" services people take for granted now, or expect to need to subsc…
The fact that we are even able to have this very conversation to discuss the pros and cons of ad-supported models seems to point to the fact that someone can like an ad-supported business’ services while not liking ads, and it is not a ridiculous or nonsensical position to hold.
Anyway, it seems we’ve diverged quite a lot from whether or not you can be a fan of watching tv sports and also not like ads.
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As not a fan of professional sports, every time I see a sports game on TV, I feel like the game itself is secondary. It absolutely feels like an advertising show with the unimportant addition of people playing something.
Which sports, specifically? I watch football and rugby and while both have a lot of advertising (in stadia and on jerseys) TV coverage is still very clearly focussed on the sport itself
Precisely. I used to be an avid Arsenal fan, but now it seems that I would support "Emirates Fly Better". The fact that it's on every player's shirt one might say that "TV coverage is still very clearly focussed on the shirt itself". I do enjoy admitting, their website https://www.arsenal.com/ is rather tastefully done (I turned off all extensions to have a good look), though. And 'Visit Rwanda' doesn't seem to such be a bad thing, though I couldn't find an Emirates flight to there.
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Which sports, specifically? I watch football and rugby and while both have a lot of advertising (in stadia and on jerseys) TV coverage is still very clearly focussed on the sport itself
>and on jerseys Precisely. I used to be an avid Arsenal fan, but now it seems that I would support "Emirates Fly Better". The fact that it's on every player's shirt one might say that "TV coverage is still very clearly focussed on the shirt itself". I do enjoy admitting, their website https://www.arsenal.com/ is rather tastefully done (I turned off all extensions to have a good look), though. And 'Visit Rwanda' doesn…
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You're getting really unfairly dunked on for a sensible point. The Purpose Of A System Is What It Does, and what televised sports unarguably does is relentlessly slather its consumers' eyes with advertisements--and also shows some sportsball every once in a while, between those ads. Saying "I like televised sports but not ads" doesn't make a lot of sense. The entire purpose of televised sports, the only reason for it…
Would you be amazed if I told you I could connect you with someone right now who would tell you they enjoy tv sports and would like them even better without ads?
The purpose of a system is what it does as a whole, even if (end despite that) one part of the system (e.g. sports viewers) would like that purpose to be different. A system fulfilling that purpose would be enjoyable by many, but it doesn't exist, and ads are a major irreplaceable part of the system that does exist - key parts of which are not only fans and casual viewers but also teams (and their budgets), players (and their salaries), and TV stations.
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You're getting really unfairly dunked on for a sensible point. The Purpose Of A System Is What It Does, and what televised sports unarguably does is relentlessly slather its consumers' eyes with advertisements--and also shows some sportsball every once in a while, between those ads. Saying "I like televised sports but not ads" doesn't make a lot of sense. The entire purpose of televised sports, the only reason for it…
Humans aren't money-optimizing machines. And we don't watch (or play) sport to watch ads. Companies can try to optimize for profit, but too much focus on the bottom line corrodes just about anything else the company wants to do in the world. And ultimately, the most profitable companies are usually the ones who make a profit on the road of caring deeply about something else. (Eg, Steve Jobs' - who cared about making…
As long as we're talking about professional sports, players do definitely play them because of the ads. This is what pays pro athletes multimillion dollar salaries in the end - no matter what motivating lies they tell themselves (and get told by others), that is the practical purpose of the show they're putting on. Young athletes go through years of preparation, workouts, and practice with the expectation that some time afterward they'll get recruited to that sport's main league which will pay them enormous amounts of money in order to get out on a field and perform so that they'll attract millions of people to watch ads.
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This is how ads were in the beginning of television, the characters in the snow would talk about the product.
Like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGDgnp7-uck ("Is that a PS Vita" in the middle of a dramatic, slow-paced show)
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Why settle for crumbs? There should be limits on how many billboards, digital or otherwise, are allowed to exist, and that limit can be "zero". Advertising is a blight.
> Advertising is a blight. You do realize that you’re an enthusiastic and active participant in what is the marketing and advertising project of a VC firm, right? I think what you mean to say is that the advertising you like isn’t a blight and the advertising you don’t like is a blight.
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