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Recently Shopify decided to cut off our unlisted app (or whatever they call it) so that our users can no longer connect to Shopify. The only way we can get verified is to use their billing (we're using Stripe).
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React is a library. Remix is a framework.
React is a framework though. The main differentiator between the two is Inversion of Control. React developers write their code to be called by the React application. You aren't choosing to include React or not (what you would do with a library), your whole frontend application is built within the context of the React environment in which it will run.
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Having used both, if you already know NextJS well then I wouldn't bother switching to Remix. If you want some of the Remixy API-niceness in NextJS land then you can use tRPC (for example, there are probably other options). Nothing against Remix, I do like it, it just isn't differentiated enough from NextJS to both switching for me - yet, at least.
And what about if you've not used either framework before but would like to try one? Which one would you recommend?
For fun: Whichever appeals to you :)
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> i get the good intrnt to make pages fast, but making thin client pages like this radically reduces the general utility & agency of the web. I'm not sure what you mean by this. Remix and related technologies don't limit what you can do on the client—you still have the full power of React at your fingertips. The difference is that they blur the lines between client and server such that you get more or less seamless s…
a developr can limit the power of user-agency by moving increasing amounts of power to the server. this trend amplifies developers potential. and it allows targetting "dumber" web clients. yay, good things. but it also makes the most advanced & competent web users less able & less capable. web apps have, for a while now, been fairly client-heavy, in a way that enables hacking & creativity. i'd love a strong counter-t…
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FWIW: Tobi mentioned that if he had to do it all over again, he would still build the admin and business logic of Shopify in Ruby on Rails, but would probably build their liquid rendering in Rust or something like it https://twitter.com/tobi/status/1585459224506671104?s=20&t=0...
elixir/phoenix gives you a lot of the same productivity as rails with vastly higher performance. the big benefit to rails these days is the massive ecosystem of drop in gems.
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I share your feeling, but I don’t think it’s reasonable. I’ve used both now and it’s just fine as a framework. Maybe it’s in the way they present themselves.
Definitely it's how Remix presents itself. Their landing page reads like a marketing pitch by some crazy startup looking to raise money, not like a stable library to build a product on. You have to scroll quite far to get any factual information on what differentiates it from Next.js. I quote: > Focused on web standards and modern web app UX, you’re simply going to build better websites
Combined with CloudFront, you can save a lot of money compared to Vercel when you become moderately successful.
(yes, you'd need to be comfortable rolling your own to some degree, for some things, but honestly the value is huge)
Remix is wonderful. Combined with CloudFront, you can save a lot of money compared to Vercel when you become moderately successful. (yes, you'd need to be comfortable rolling your own to some degree, for some things, but honestly the value is huge)
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Definitely it's how Remix presents itself. Their landing page reads like a marketing pitch by some crazy startup looking to raise money, not like a stable library to build a product on. You have to scroll quite far to get any factual information on what differentiates it from Next.js. I quote: > Focused on web standards and modern web app UX, you’re simply going to build better websites
Would NextJS's Apple-style marketing pitch at their events be more convincing to you?