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It appears the consensus is HN is hesitant about the Windows on ARM push. I really want this to succeed. If this gains traction then we should start seeing support for windows laptops on ARM. As a dev who prefers windows but has a m1 MacBook b/c of the battery life I really hope this works out.
And here's the difference between Microsoft and Apple: When Apple switches to ARM, people believe them. When Microsoft switches to arm, people ignore them. Why? Because Microsoft only ever half-asses such changes (see the terrible SOC in this).
They have no better choice. Name me, today, a desktop class ARM SoC that isn't made by Apple and represents the median performance band of the class. Fundamentally, ARM Holdings is what Antitrust legislation was supposed to break down. They own the "ARM" name and control who can license the ARM IP and most importantly, how . Ampere, the folks behind a lot of ARM servers, are by contract barred from getting into the m…
Afaik Apple has an Architecture License which means they can do anything they want. They were one of the companies who co-founded ARM.
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Exactly. Apple have the advantage of being able to tell consumers that if they want a new Mac, then they get no choice. They'll have to buy an M1 or M2. Despite of this Apple knew that M-series computers needed to be better than the previous Intel lineup, and noticeable so. An ARM based Windows computer isn't a bad idea, I just question if Microsoft is able to deliver on it. Picking the same manufacturer, who repeata…
>> An ARM based Windows computer isn't a bad idea, I just question if Microsoft is able to deliver on it. Microsoft has already executed and brutally failed with ARM in the form of the disastrous Surface RT/Windows RT. But, and more importantly. Two people with unlimited resources are running a race car race. One starts a year or two before the other. Even with unlimited resources; the other racer/team has unlimited…
The difference here is that the M1 in the M1 mac mini is faster than Apple's phone SoC (the A16). The Qualcomm 8cx gen 3 (what a terrible name) in this machine is NOT faster than even Qualcomm's phone SoC (the 8 gen 1), let alone Apple's phone SoC. It's absurd to be selling a desktop PC that's weaker than a phone.
Prefer 32GB than a better CPU. By the way When the fuck did 32GB become an entry requirement, I am so saddened by the crappy software and stacks that treats memory like an infinite resource
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Arm64 vms seem to be working great. And pretty soon Asahi will get to the point of being completely usable as a daily driver
Why would I buy a Mac Mini for Linux when devices like this exist? The Qualcomm chip is officially supported and much cheaper than buying the Mac. Seems to be much less hassle and better value on the Microsoft side of things.
Does it have a power brick larger than the NUC, like those things usually do? Neither the Verge piccies nor the marketing movie are clear on this.
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Arm64 vms seem to be working great. And pretty soon Asahi will get to the point of being completely usable as a daily driver
Why would I buy a Mac Mini for Linux when devices like this exist? The Qualcomm chip is officially supported and much cheaper than buying the Mac. Seems to be much less hassle and better value on the Microsoft side of things.
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It's a chicken or the egg dilemma. Non-Apple ARM is too slow, so nobody wants Windows ARM, and nobody wants Windows ARM, so nobody is seriously working on consumer-targeted ARM. It will probably fail because Microsoft is generally bad at managing and marketing their hardware projects and coordinating with manufacturers and retail partners. Also, yeah, the pricing and performance is abysmal. But there is some sense to…
> so nobody is seriously working on consumer-targeted ARM. Consumer targeted arm chips power most phones and tablets. Many of them are more than a handful for i5 and i3 class Intel chips and draw a lot less power. When you are talking about a $599 price point, you aren't talking about top-shelf Intel, anyway. > But there is some sense to trying to lay the groundwork for future ARM SoCs running Windows Now that ARM ha…
Outside m1/m2 there isn't any chip that can be compared to i5 intel 13 gen especially for PC space [that is in the same price bracket]. (maybe some arm chips can get close to i3 12100f but you can get it for 90 usd and get good single core performance so im not sure if in this price point is even any arm alternative)
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> Microsoft is generally bad at managing and marketing their hardware projects and coordinating with manufacturers and retail partners X-Box would beg to differ since 2002.
XBox is a great example of horrible mismanagement that cost Microsoft many billions of dollars, was almost abandoned, and went through a very rocky path to get to where it is today which is still frankly not that great of a position (it lags behind Switch and Playstation): https://www.shacknews.com/article/121384/last-one-at-the-tab... Don Mattrick almost tanked that entire product and it survives today because Phil…
Guess what, so was the first NES, and the first Play Station, the first Game Boy, etc. for their respective companies.
Breaking into a new market, with a new product, in uncharted waters, with no prior experience, with no support from clueless executives who don't believe in the new product looking for any reason to stop you from burning cash, endless turf wars such large and expensive projects create, makes it is hard, brutally hard, for any company to succed on the first try.
>and went through a very rocky path
The Xbox 360 sold 85 million units, one of the best selling consoles of all time.