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Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by mehrshad » Mon, Oct 24, 2022, 9:05 PM UTC

m000 wrote: post #198

zestyping wrote: post #16

Countless person-years of engineering effort, and Spotlight is still mostly useless. All I want is to hit Command-F to quickly search the filenames in the current folder (not start a sluggish scan of my entire hard disk). There used to be workarounds for this, but then they removed "Find by Name..." from Finder just to make our lives harder. Does anyone know a workable alternative?

What do you mean "still mostly useless"? Is there anything more usable on any other OS? I moved back to Windows a couple of years back. Spotlight is the second thing I miss most from macOS, with the first being Preview.

Microsoft's PowerToys has a great answer to Spotlight on Windows if you're so inclined to try it out.

[0] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/powertoys/

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by DavideNL » Mon, Oct 24, 2022, 9:05 PM UTC

jbverschoor wrote: post #115

samlader wrote: post #105

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I recommend checking out Raycast as an alternative. https://www.raycast.com/

Raycast is great. imo better than Alfred. Love the menu-search functionality. But I still use both, because Raycast doesn't support "folder search". I use folders in general because they don't change, and I usually know what I'm looking for. It (should be)/is also faster than searching all files. When I'm looking for a file or it's contents, I'll fall back to spotlight

Fyi, menu search in Alfred: https://github.com/BenziAhamed/Menu-Bar-Search

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by baal80spam » Mon, Oct 24, 2022, 9:05 PM UTC

runjake wrote: post #187

deergomoo wrote: post #183

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I got a Windows PC for the first time in over a decade recently and I cannot understand why MacOS updates are so damned slow

Because on newer Macs, it’s rewriting the whole OS partition with a new firmware image, much like iOS and IPSW files. Windows, on the other hand, generally does incremental upgrades.

> on newer Macs, it’s rewriting the whole OS partition with a new firmware image

TIL

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by satysin » Mon, Oct 24, 2022, 9:06 PM UTC

Installed fine on my 2018 15" MacBook Pro. Still a good machine that I use as my main machine. Took about 20 minutes I guess, didn't time it but was ready quicker than I expected.

None of the changes are life changing but oh well, isn't often a desktop OS really surprises me with something new these days. Hopefully it is as stable as Monterey was for me which didn't have a single crash in the whole year.

Stage Manager is interesting but a very minimal effort by Apple. They really need to work on better overall window management in macOS. Snapping and tighter keyboard management for moving and resizing windows is badly needed. Either that or they need to relax their accessibility restrictions for apps so that we can get some good third-party options without needing to disable SIP.

Overall it seems to be mostly quality of life improvements, a few related to their primary services (such as Photo Library sharing) which will obviously be handy for up-selling iCloud/Apple One paid upgrades.

I am interested to see the new virtualisation framework stuff. Wondering if things like Distrobox (podman) can make use of it.

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by throwup » Mon, Oct 24, 2022, 9:07 PM UTC

runjake wrote: post #187

deergomoo wrote: post #183

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I got a Windows PC for the first time in over a decade recently and I cannot understand why MacOS updates are so damned slow

Because on newer Macs, it’s rewriting the whole OS partition with a new firmware image, much like iOS and IPSW files. Windows, on the other hand, generally does incremental upgrades.

That can't be the whole story.

If we assume the drive can write 500MB/s (conservative), and an OS install takes up 50GB of space (conservative), it should take less than 2 minutes to write the partition. Where does the other 58 minutes go?

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by howinteresting » Mon, Oct 24, 2022, 9:09 PM UTC

jedberg wrote: post #163

howinteresting wrote: post #134

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Well it only works with Apple phones so

I suspect the Venn diagram of people who use a MacBook and people who use Android has a very small overlap in the circles.

Almost every Mac user I know is in that category. Generally they use a company-issued Mac for work and have a personal Android phone.

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by jensenbox » Mon, Oct 24, 2022, 9:10 PM UTC

I cannot help but see a visual of Jim Carrey saying "Alrighty then" every time I read the name.

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by SamuelAdams » Mon, Oct 24, 2022, 9:11 PM UTC

satysin wrote: post #204

Installed fine on my 2018 15" MacBook Pro. Still a good machine that I use as my main machine. Took about 20 minutes I guess, didn't time it but was ready quicker than I expected. None of the changes are life changing but oh well, isn't often a desktop OS really surprises me with something new these days. Hopefully it is as stable as Monterey was for me which didn't have a single crash in the whole year. Stage Manage…

I’ve been using Rectangle for window management. Works well for my workflow since I’ll usually just pin two apps side by side, and jump them around different screens.

It would be nice to have this feature natively though.

https://rectangleapp.com/

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by Hamuko » Mon, Oct 24, 2022, 9:12 PM UTC

lelandfe wrote: post #77

max_hammer wrote: post #57

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I started using Alfred app recently on my work laptop. It's far superior than `Spotlight` https://www.alfredapp.com/

It should be embarrassing how much faster Alfred's search is. Using Alfred to just search feels like using a Ferrari to pick up groceries, but it really is just better – and has been for as long as I can remember.

Doesn't Alfred just use the Spotlight in the backend for searches?

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by Bud » Mon, Oct 24, 2022, 9:13 PM UTC

throwup wrote: post #205

runjake wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because on newer Macs, it’s rewriting the whole OS partition with a new firmware image, much like iOS and IPSW files. Windows, on the other hand, generally does incremental upgrades.

That can't be the whole story. If we assume the drive can write 500MB/s (conservative), and an OS install takes up 50GB of space (conservative), it should take less than 2 minutes to write the partition. Where does the other 58 minutes go?

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