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Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Post by ltbarcly3 »

inferiorhuman wrote: post #143
i_like_apis wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is more about a breakdown in the rule of law. The DA wasn't prosecuting and the police weren't arresting. Blaming it on "inequality" feels like a cop out for the criminals. There are plenty of ways to get by in the world without resorting to theft. It's a lifestyle choice more than it's any significant source of income. Stealing a loaf of bread to feed your family is one thing. Virtually all of the theft in SF i…

The DA wasn't prosecuting Boudin prosecuted a higher percentage of cases than Jenkins. In fact Jenkins dropped a number of cases that Boudin brought and she disbanded the group investigating and prosecuting corruption within SFPD ranks. the police weren't arresting. This, however, is completely true and hasn't changed since Breed installed her pick for DA. Let's not forget that Breed required pre-signed resignation l…

I don't get this doublethink, but it comes up all the time. They ran on a platform of not prosecuting crime because it is unfair to do so. They were elected. They didn't prosecute crimes.

I don't understand who you think you are going to trick into this nonsense that Boudin was super tough on crime. It's so embarrassing for you.

Since people are trying to rewrite the narrative here to avoid taking responsibility for a failed experiment:

'''Restorative justice is a survivor-centered alternative to the traditional prosecution model that attacks mass incarceration on two fronts. First, through a process focused on active accountability rather than passive punishment, people who have harmed others are equipped with the tools they need to stop harming others in the future. They may receive education, job training, counseling, substance use treatment, and more, and upon successfully completing the restorative justice process, may avoid prosecution.'''

From Boudin's campaign website before the election (of course this has now been scrubbed): https://web.archive.org/web/20191124064230/https://www.chesa...

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Post by barbariangrunge »

First, this survey seems to be about the last 5 years, which is noteworthy.

Also,

> a quarter have been threatened or physically attacked

That's a much scarier thing. 1/4 people were threatened or attacked in a 5 year period? That's pretty rough

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Post by mbgerring »

mc32 wrote: post #119

SF is funny. If you complain about the crime, lots of long-time residents are loath to admit crime has gone up. "It's been like this since I can remember." "Born and raised fifth generation SFer, no, it's always been like this." Ideology gets the best of people and they don't want to believe. Sure, there have been nadirs before, the 80's after all industry left and only some financial services were left downtown --th…

> It will take years to recover from "Defund the Police"

There has not been any reduction of the SF police budget in this century.

The Mayor made a speech in 2020 suggesting that some funds would be redirected from police budgets into some social programs, but this did not represent any actual reduction in police funding.

If you are under the impression that SF was in any way affected by “defunding the police,” you are mistaken, because that didn’t happen.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Post by ethbr0 »

cavisne wrote: post #196
mc32 wrote: post #119

SF is funny. If you complain about the crime, lots of long-time residents are loath to admit crime has gone up. "It's been like this since I can remember." "Born and raised fifth generation SFer, no, it's always been like this." Ideology gets the best of people and they don't want to believe. Sure, there have been nadirs before, the 80's after all industry left and only some financial services were left downtown --th…

At this point it's basically the monty python "its just a flesh wound" scene. Anyone who has visited SF knows exactly whats going on. Anyone who lives in SF also knows exactly whats going on. They'll just desperately point to some statistic from a tiny town they've never been to that actually measures and enforces the law. Anything to justify continuing to vote for whatever the media tells them to vote for next.

It's not the media or the this or the that -- it's the lack of competition.

In ideas and options.

Groupthink of any ilk leads to death.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Post by ratsmack »

thatfrenchguy wrote: post #154
cft wrote: post #65

There's an important line that SF has not crossed (yet): murder still causes police response. In a decade or so, it will be like most large Latin American cities: murder will cause same lackluster police response as currently car break-ins do. Rich will have their own security, and poor will be afraid to walk after dark.

Murders used to be so much more common 30-40 years ago in the city, just ask someone who was there back then.

It appears that there was a bump up in the rate during the early 2K's.

https://www.macrotrends.net/cities/us/ca/san-francisco/murde...

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Post by barbariangrunge »

onionisafruit wrote: post #90
barbariangrunge wrote: post #37

What is the rate for other big cities? Is this a lot higher than usual, or only a little higher? The thing is that people steal things everywhere. Bikes. Cigarette lighters. Money left out. Scam items off Amazon or eBay is a form of theft. Your beer at parties. Lawn gnomes. I don’t know many people anywhere who haven’t had something stolen from them at some point, so I’m not sure what this is saying

I would be surprised if many less half of people haven’t had something stolen at some point, but this survey is just about the last five years.

I didn't notice that, that's an important point

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Post by camdat »

egberts1 wrote: post #197
mbgerring wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, SFPD’s budget was not cut in the wake of protests against police violence. There was no defunding of police in San Francisco. You can’t blame their inaction on policies that were not implemented here.

Ummm, SF voters voted to make their police force "SMALLER"! https://www.vox.com/2020/11/4/21537593/san-francisco-proposi...

Did you even read the article? They weren't meeting these numbers for a long time.

>The proposition also requires San Francisco to end a requirement that there be a specified number of full-duty sworn police officers assigned to neighborhood policing and patrol — a number law enforcement officials say has never been met due to resource constraints.

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