I thought San Francisco was a public toilet?
The Human Wasteland Project, that tracks human feces around SF agrees with you: http://mochimachine.org/wasteland/#
San Francisco is spending $1.7M on one public toilet
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#202Earlier quoted context omitted.
Red tape and nimbyism is hard to imagine from what I see of SFO in books, it seems like the most anti-diversity thing you can do. Can anybody from SFO relate their experience? Hard to tell these days what is editorial bias or sensationalism and what is true.
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In what ways is SFO right wing? I don't see much representation of that type as far as elected officials. Is this a term used in spirit or something I'm overlooking?
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#203Earlier quoted context omitted.
SFO is the airport. I'm very confused by this comment. We're not all working at Google right now. MTV, SFO, MPK and all of this lingo is not familiar to all
People sometimes use major airport codes as shorthand for a city or the metropolitan region the airport serves.
We have the best pizza in ORD
Re: San Francisco is spending $1.7M on one public toilet
#204I do not believe this type of public theft is due to incompetence, I believe it is corruption and grift
It's straight out of the OSS (pre-CIA)'s "Simple Sabotage Field Manual". https://gist.github.com/kennwhite/467529962c184258d08f16daec... > General Interference with Organizations and Production > Insist on doing everything through "channels." Never permit short-cuts to be taken in order to expedite decisions. Make "speeches." Talk as frequently as possible and at great length. Illustrate your "points" by long anecdot…
This almost reads like it was written not seriously, but as a plausibly deniable rant by someone who spent a few too many years in a government job.
Re: San Francisco is spending $1.7M on one public toilet
#205Paris has over 400 public toilets, called sanisettes[0], and they work pretty well when they are in service. I doubt they cost ~$1.7m each. [0] https://europeforvisitors.com/paris/articles/paris-public-to...
That seems to be about 2x the per capita rate of public toilets as SF.
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#206One of the reasons this toilet is so expensive no doubt, is that the new SF public toilets are self cleaning and will have attendants on duty to try to prevent this. The one on golden gate park and Haight closes after each visitor to spray the inside down like a dishwasher, and has an attendant on duty to make sure no one is inside while it does that (and to generally discourage people from shady stuff). It's not perfect but they have been clean every time I used it.
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#207> San Francisco, which is struggling with a troubling homelessness and public-defecation crisis, needs more public toilets. The irony in this statement, given the reasons why this toilet costs so much, is absolutely unreal. I had to check the date on this article to make sure it wasn't an old April's Fools skit or something, but it seems red tape and NIMBYism have escalated to such a degree in SF that (a) securing bu…
Red tape and nimbyism is hard to imagine from what I see of SFO in books, it seems like the most anti-diversity thing you can do. Can anybody from SFO relate their experience? Hard to tell these days what is editorial bias or sensationalism and what is true.
CA in general is like the leader of red tape, with SF as it's poster child.
Re: San Francisco is spending $1.7M on one public toilet
#208> San Francisco, which is struggling with a troubling homelessness and public-defecation crisis, needs more public toilets. The irony in this statement, given the reasons why this toilet costs so much, is absolutely unreal. I had to check the date on this article to make sure it wasn't an old April's Fools skit or something, but it seems red tape and NIMBYism have escalated to such a degree in SF that (a) securing bu…
I think it's not unreasonable to attack effects of homelessness as well as the cause. Some problems are really hard and some are just hard . In other places where it wont cost 1.7M to build one public toilet, this wouldn't be seen as such a failure or mis-step, just extending public services to people in crisis - as long as it's not seen as "fixed" by doing so.
I think the OP wanted you to consider the benefit that 1.7 million could have had in providing direct aid to preventing homelessness, e.g. rental assistance or job training.
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#209Earlier quoted context omitted.
We have an access road that was sized for utility trucks. We had to widen it slightly because of obscure California regulations. Widening it didn’t cost $1.7M. However, the cost per linear foot was within a factor of two of buying a line of Tesla Model 3s. This is in an unincorporated (rural) area, on a farm. The work lasted one rainstorm before needing extensive repairs. I’m completely unsurprised that building a hu…
Too many bureaucrats and construction profiteers, not enough good laborers.
>not enough laborers
Not enough wages. If the free market is good enough for everything else, why not for labor?
Re: San Francisco is spending $1.7M on one public toilet
#210Paris has over 400 public toilets, called sanisettes[0], and they work pretty well when they are in service. I doubt they cost ~$1.7m each. [0] https://europeforvisitors.com/paris/articles/paris-public-to...
i wouldn't really set paris as an example for this particular issue. It's certainly getting better with time, but we're far from anything decent
The bar is so low right now, trust me, they are light years ahead of most of the rest of the world.