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One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by thatguy0900 »

adrr wrote: post #134
jeremy0x4a wrote: post #56

Whenever I see this iMessage/SMS, blue/green topic come up I descend into an internal debate that, as I get older, I am becoming increasingly familiar with. The debate is that one where I am forced to reconcile whether I am too far removed from popular culture to see how this is a real issue versus accepting that the issue is entirely contrived.

I would love to see a survey of mobile phone users to see if this matters to them. I’ll take a guess it doesn’t matter because Google would be flaunting the results. As for negative effects on kids. There’s more than just phones. Clothes, cars, vacations, social media posts, tutoring, sports. Maybe we should put everyone in uniforms, don’t allow kids drive to school, ban sports, and forbid them from talking about the…

My school had uniforms, bullying doesn't stop. Kids are honestly just mean, and not idiots. You can dress a wealthy kid and a poor kid in the same clothes and you will not fool anyone in class about which one is the poor one.

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by mfru »

vachina wrote: post #137
greenbub1 wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This deep integration with colours and status symbols does remain in specific areas like middle school where it is still seen as important to try to project wealth. Are the kids wrong? When I look at my app’s stats, Android users are worse in every way. More expensive to develop for, pay less or none at all, and their halo effect is sometimes negative: they might word-of-mouth my app to more Android users instead o…

> pay less or none at all Maybe because there is always a free alternative that is better than yours. Whereas iOS users only has the App Store, and if they don’t pay they don’t get app.

I love how Anki is free on Android but paid on iOS. (Apple tax gets a totally new meaning here)

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Post by School-Cotton »

chinchilla2020 wrote: post #118
oneplane wrote: post #39

This seems to be mostly a US American thing, mainly because of the same reasons BBM was a thing: lots of chats over SMS used to be a thing, and then chats over iMessage, which like BBM, you can only join if you have a device from a specific vendor. That means that you can only be in a special social circle if you buy the same stuff. That won't change because of some colours, because it's not the colours causing the t…

I agree that this is a middle school level analysis, but I've seen it a couple times in practice during my career. 1. In the dating scene, I have heard women remark that it was a red flag (Android users are stereotypically poor... despite a large number of techies using Android) 2. A manager at my old company was advised to get an iphone for communication with VCs. One of our old leaders had heard commentary from a V…

> a large number of techies using Android

This doesn’t match my experience. Almost everyone I work with has an iPhone.

Anyway, having a good income isn’t the whole story. It’s probably also about willingness to conform to subtle, arbitrary social norms. Plenty of women are more attracted to a guy who dresses well, despite the fact that plenty of techies wear free hoodies. I think that’s a better analogy.

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Post by scatters »

ericmay wrote: post #113
scatters wrote: post #92

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WhatsApp doesn't have anywhere near the same lockin as Apple. You can run multiple messaging apps even on a low end android phone.

Did you mean WhatsApp doesn't have anywhere near the same lock in as the Messages app? I don't know what you mean by "same lock in as Apple". I also don't know what you would mean by lock in with the Messages app. What's locked in? I can use WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram, WeChat, or any number of communication apps on my iPhone effortlessly.

Apple's messages app isn't really an app; it comes preinstalled on the phone, you can't remove it or substitute it with another app, and you can't install it on non-Apple hardware.

The lock-in is obvious: if you're part of Apple-oriented chat groups you can't switch to Android without losing access to those groups, degrading the experience for everyone, or convincing each one of those groups to make the switch to a multi-platform alternative. Claiming not to see this is disingenuous.

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Post by computerfriend »

protomyth wrote: post #190
chinchilla2020 wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that this is a middle school level analysis, but I've seen it a couple times in practice during my career. 1. In the dating scene, I have heard women remark that it was a red flag (Android users are stereotypically poor... despite a large number of techies using Android) 2. A manager at my old company was advised to get an iphone for communication with VCs. One of our old leaders had heard commentary from a V…

Its ever so fun to have to deal with middle school with green bubbles. Apple is directly responsible for some kids getting bullied, but I guess it works out for them since we had to buy some more Apple devices.

What? No. Apple is at best indirectly responsible.

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by scatters »

checkyoursudo wrote: post #141
scatters wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WhatsApp doesn't have anywhere near the same lockin as Apple. You can run multiple messaging apps even on a low end android phone.

I can run WhatsApp on my iPhone. I cannot get my kids' school parents-group not to use WhatsApp. It was a pain to get even my best friends in Europe to use anything except WhatsApp.

Well done that parents' group. Obviously something like Signal would be better, but that'll happen once there's enough social consensus.

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by scatters »

criddell wrote: post #165
scatters wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WhatsApp doesn't have anywhere near the same lockin as Apple. You can run multiple messaging apps even on a low end android phone.

Is WhatsApp open? Are there alternative clients?

Even better: it's a player in a competitive market. So you can switch your chats one-by-one to Signal, Telegram or whatever floats your boat.

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Post by computerfriend »

golergka wrote: post #196
chinchilla2020 wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that this is a middle school level analysis, but I've seen it a couple times in practice during my career. 1. In the dating scene, I have heard women remark that it was a red flag (Android users are stereotypically poor... despite a large number of techies using Android) 2. A manager at my old company was advised to get an iphone for communication with VCs. One of our old leaders had heard commentary from a V…

> Android users are stereotypically poor... despite a large number of techies using Android I haven't lived in a country where text bubbles used to be a thing, but I noticed this. People, even people who are smart and kind in other aspects, still cling to the easiest social cues. Doesn't matter if you wear a Margiela t-shirt or what you drive; your tinder date or a person who you just met in a bar will look at your p…

It's the opposite. You're now missing out on the valuable signal of whether someone is obsessed with wealth and class or not.

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Post by denismurphy »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #120
denismurphy wrote: post #73

why does this even matter? As a european i just don't get it, i use a iPhone have in the past used Android most of my friends and family use Android no one cares.

Basically US teens/kids assume you're poor and not cool if you have a green bubble. It really is as simple as that. It's exactly as shallow as it sounds and is not actually as big of a deal as the article makes it out to be.

Where i live Schools have banned both phones and social media because it greatest source of bullying/harassment. The kids have iPad's in class for educational purposes https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2018/0419/955622-kerry-schoo...

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by machinawhite »

sliken wrote: post #186
aoeusnth1 wrote: post #154

Besides the cherry-picked colors of green from the top of the screen, the author assumes turning up the screen brightness reduces contrast in the same way that applying a brightness filter in photoshop does. That’s obviously not true - a given colorspace has less dynamic range if you make everything brighter in photoshop, but turning up your screen backlight brightness makes everything brighter by a constant factor,…

Assuming a perfect screen, yes. But at some point the brightest pixels on the screen will get no brighter, but all the other pixels will. So the dynamic range decreases. Similar happens when dim enough.

I just checked and there's a significant difference between full brightness and a little less than full brightness so I'll just assume the screens Apple is using are pretty good at that
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