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Authors’ names have ‘astonishing’ influence on peer reviewers: study

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Re: Authors’ names have ‘astonishing’ influence on peer reviewers: study

#201
This is an interesting article but it contributes a bit to terminological confusion about reviewing modes.

First, the article talks about "double-blind reviewing" as being "logistically hard" because reviewers can "find the paper in a Google search", and talks about a "price tag". By contrast, many conferences around me implement so-called "lightweight double-blind" reviewing, which takes zero effort and just means that the authors and affiliations are not mentioned on the copy of the paper that reviewers read. I think this form of double-blind is a no-brainer, eliminating some bias with essentially no downside; and that discussions about the cost and complexity of double-blind reviewing are a distraction from this immediate improvement.

Here is a typical paragraph from a call for papers (here, STACS 2023) describing the policy:

  As in the previous two years, STACS 2023 will employ a lightweight double-blind reviewing process: submissions should not reveal the identity of the authors in any way. The purpose of the double-blind reviewing is to help PC members and external reviewers come to an initial judgment about the paper without bias, not to make it impossible for them to discover the authors if they were to try. Nothing should be done in the name of anonymity that weakens the submission or makes the job of reviewing the paper more difficult. In particular, important references should not be omitted or anonymized. In addition, authors should feel free to disseminate their ideas or draft versions of their paper as they normally would. For example, authors may post drafts of their papers on the web, submit them to arXiv, and give talks on their research ideas.
Second, the article talks about "open review" as meaning "everyone’s identity is public". This is sometimes what the term means, but not always -- for instance the OpenReview.net platform https://openreview.net/> supports forms of open reviewing where the reviewers are still anonymous. Here "open" means "the discussion happens in the open, and everyone can post comments about the paper and reviews and contribute to the discussion". Here again, I feel that the discussion about "open reviewing" with non-anonymous reviewers is drawing attention away from this model which looks like a net improvement over the status quo.

Re: Authors’ names have ‘astonishing’ influence on peer reviewers: study

#202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's false. Trust the science.

"Trust the science" is an oxymoron. Please do substantiate why grandparent's claim is false. There is a massive literature on the shortcomings and, yes, even potential for malice, of current peer-review practices. https://sigbed.org/2022/08/22/the-toxic-culture-of-rejection... https://www.nature.com/nature-index/news-blog/research-misco...

The sarcasm went way over your head lol

The user you're replying to is reminding us we just endured ~2 years Faucism.

Re: Authors’ names have ‘astonishing’ influence on peer reviewers: study

#203
post #94

When I was an undergrad in college, I helped design a study on the role of gender perception in expertise. We had a piece of text that the subjects (undergrads) would read and rate the expertise of. We had the same text but we randomized whether the name would be a commonly male name, a commonly female name, or initials. We also randomized if they'd watch a clip of men's sports beforehand (men's basketball), women's…

Can you elaborate on the sports thing? What effect did showing the sports had and do you have a thoory on the mechanism?

Re: Authors’ names have ‘astonishing’ influence on peer reviewers: study

#204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The challenge with double blind is anonymizing content that often relies on cited prior work. You're the second person to bring this up, but I'm not sure why it's a problem. Just don't say "based on my own previous work" and instead say "based on previous work". I.e. cite yourself the same way that you'd cite anyone else's work.

But as a (final) reader I would weigh supporting evidence by the same author/author group/lab far weaker than supporting evidence by unrelated sources! That being said: One could get around that by replacing the citation style for the review version only. There are typically changes anyways and the given amount of fights that I had with editors for pure typesetting or "improvements of english" that one would actually…

As the final reader you're expected to do some due diligence and at the bare minimum read the reference list. Once you do, you can easily see which papers are self citations and which ones are not. If you're not doing this due diligence you probably don't care too much about this paper anyway and there is no harm done if you think a reference is not a self citation when it actually is.

Re: Authors’ names have ‘astonishing’ influence on peer reviewers: study

#205
post #94

When I was an undergrad in college, I helped design a study on the role of gender perception in expertise. We had a piece of text that the subjects (undergrads) would read and rate the expertise of. We had the same text but we randomized whether the name would be a commonly male name, a commonly female name, or initials. We also randomized if they'd watch a clip of men's sports beforehand (men's basketball), women's…

Maybe someone in your field would know, is there any difference in the actual reliability/reproducibility difference in research done by men and women? Maybe you are simply measuring a real phenomenon but in a round about way?

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Re: Authors’ names have ‘astonishing’ influence on peer reviewers: study

#206
post #94

When I was an undergrad in college, I helped design a study on the role of gender perception in expertise. We had a piece of text that the subjects (undergrads) would read and rate the expertise of. We had the same text but we randomized whether the name would be a commonly male name, a commonly female name, or initials. We also randomized if they'd watch a clip of men's sports beforehand (men's basketball), women's…

Another interesting bias along those lines: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women-are-wonderful_effect I imagine these biases swing in all sorts of directions depending on the context. Some are intuitive, many are not.

How do you reconcile the https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women-are-wonderful_effect with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_pay_gap

Re: Authors’ names have ‘astonishing’ influence on peer reviewers: study

#207

Very common for anyone who has ever spent time in academia. When I was still in grad school I noticed a trend in some major mathematical and CS journals where a lot of time it would be the same N people writing articles. This was driven home when my advisor told me "without such and such's name this paper has no chance of making it past review". Non-sense. However, for all the people that say "trust the science" this…

"Trust the science" is a silly slogan and should be dismissed.

But you should also remember that "science" doesn't guarantee that _every_ paper is good. No one can. "90% of everything is crap" is a law of the universe as solid as the second principle of thermodynamics.

Science is a _process_ that is able to weed out the crap more efficiently than anything else we tried. Any big name can put out crap, true, but as soon as they do, there is an eager army of people who jumps at the opportunity of "proving X wrong". If the original paper was crap, that would be a pretty easy thing to do.

Note that I said "more efficiently", not "efficiently" in general. There will always be an army of people "trusting the science" (the authority, really) and so it might take time for the crap to be weeded out. But it will eventually, because science is like evolution: if nothing can be built on top of the crap, it will be progressively abandoned, because it can't reproduce (pun intended).

Re: Authors’ names have ‘astonishing’ influence on peer reviewers: study

#208
post #94

When I was an undergrad in college, I helped design a study on the role of gender perception in expertise. We had a piece of text that the subjects (undergrads) would read and rate the expertise of. We had the same text but we randomized whether the name would be a commonly male name, a commonly female name, or initials. We also randomized if they'd watch a clip of men's sports beforehand (men's basketball), women's…

the sports thing seems like a weird addition. did the text have some relevance to sport? if not it seems like the kind of thing that would skew results just by reminding the participants they’re in a weird study

Re: Authors’ names have ‘astonishing’ influence on peer reviewers: study

#209
As a former researcher with multiple high-impact publications I can 100% confirm it:

- when I was a researcher in Italy for an unknown lab, all of our articles were generally very scrutinized and went through years of reviews before publication

- when I worked in Michal Graetzel[1]'s laboratory things get published much more easily on more higher impact journals with less scrutiny. Not only most of the publications didn't really add much to the scientific knowledge, but they didn't even have the very high standards required when I was in Italy

Why is this bad? You get more funding the more you publish...So labs that publish easier due to the names involved get much more money...which they can use to publish even more and get even more money...which they can use to publish even more...

There's excellent scientists anywhere, really. But funding, fame and politics are extremely asymmetric in academia.

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Gr%C3%A4tzel

Re: Authors’ names have ‘astonishing’ influence on peer reviewers: study

#210
I’m a bit conflicted about the goal of separating the “hard, cold, objective” science from “soft, warm, subjective” things such as reputation and trust. It may be the case that some publications can be perfectly evaluated based purely on the text of the manuscript, but in most of the work I’ve read and written there are countless little details that are not discussed in the text. The manner in which the authors have handled such details can greatly affect the quality of the research. How carefully did they write the one-off script that produced the figure? How closely did they follow the study protocols? How much did they look out for issues that might undermine the results? Such an evaluation may only be possible after following the work of an author over time and perhaps through direct collaborations.

In practice, we may get better outcomes if peer reviewers completely ignore these aspects and evaluate all papers purely based on what’s on the page. But I don’t think it is obvious that any reliance on trust and reputation should be derided as bias to be eliminated.

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