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Post by ronsor »

avereveard wrote: post #192
jVinc wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is such a weird drama. The way I read it SD was effectively trying to put pressure on a guy because he developed a popular UI for using SD, and made that UI also support another model. So all their moral grandstanding is effectively just about trying to keep the popular gateway site pointing only at them, but their throwing shit at the guy who gave them that huge free PR push... What an odd position, but underst…

it's seem a case of "build an audience and monetize later" except they gave the golden gose itself to the audience instead of the egg, now they're in "monetize later" and some rando's internet repo is more usable and has a better pipeline than their "dreamstudio", and to boot now these rare gtx aren't rare anymore thanks to the bitcoin crash, so enthusiast can readily use the model at home.

Nitpick, but it's not so much the Bitcoin crash as it is Ethereum switching away from proof-of-work (GPU) mining.

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Post by nullc »

nonbirithm wrote: post #197
nullc wrote: post #91

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Perhaps, but the model weights themselves are currently understood to be uncopyrightable, and it's pretty inconceivable that the model could become copyrightable without becoming a derivative work of the training data. Unless these AI companies want google and facebook to be literally the only companies in the world that can train large scale machine learning (by using their TOS to get licenses from their users) they…

> [...] it's pretty inconceivable that the model could become copyrightable without becoming a derivative work of the training data. Another perspective that may become important is the fact that not all cultures share the same interpretation of copyright. In Japan there was a case in which a court ruled that selling a memory card with preloaded save data for a video game was a breach of the original work's integrity…

The law is not ethics. The law is the bare minimum.

Anyone who sets their ethics based on the law is probably acting like a big jerk.

:)

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Post by dang »

Karawebnetwork wrote: post #196
dang wrote: post #172

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We banned github.com/automatic1111 a while back because it was being promoted by some sort of spam ring. We can let that particular link go through if it's the best one on the topic but perhaps there is something else out there?

I can't speak to how people were behaving on HN, but automatic1111's is pretty much the gold standard for people who use SD locally on their machine, which might explain why a lot of people were posting it. It was however present on some recurring 'chan threads about SD, which might explain why it is linked to some unsavory behavior.

Ok, I've unbanned it. Thanks to both of you.

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Post by vlunkr »

chiefalchemist wrote: post #162
vlunkr wrote: post #147

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Getting downvoted is not at all the same as having comments deleted, or getting banned, which is incredibly common on some subreddits. Also not giving new users access to downvotes hopefully means that those downvoting are somewhat good citizens.

The downvote (for me) is too ambiguous. Without a couple words specifically about why, it often (to me) comes off as, "I didn't like what you said, I'm too lazy to reply, so I'll down vote you." It's hard to take DV'ing seriously when there's zero context. How many times have we read a sub-comment similar to, "I'm not sure why you're being downvoted..." Nuff said. Frankly, I can't be bothered to downvote. I've seen p…

IMO downvoting is useful for comments that don't warrant a reply, or where replying would only encourage more bad behavior.

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Post by Thorentis »

tylersmith wrote: post #175
KaoruAoiShiho wrote: post #39

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OP handed over the subreddit willingly and did not say they wanted it back... There really isn't a big deal other than supposed possible censorship and conflict of interest, but AFAIK there's been no hate threads censored anyway. The only thing "censored" was auto's webUI being removed from the stickied guide and the illegal novelAI leak torrent being removed.

OP handed it over based on a deal that Stability did not hold up their end of.

Sure, but that isn't Reddit's problem. Reddit can't step in and choose sides based on he said/she said accusations about moderation drama. The fact is, this person handed over ownership of the sub to somebody else willingly. That's the end of it. Discord was another matter.

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Post by shmde »

c7DJTLrn wrote: post #14

When you realise Reddit is moderated by unpaid megalomaniacs and teenagers, everything starts to fall into place. In some ways Reddit is worse than Facebook because it is influenced by anonymous entities with zero checks and balances.

> When you realise Reddit is moderated by unpaid megalomaniacs

True, there was a recent post on r/India talking about an IMF twitter post talking about India's projected GDP growth and the user was banned from the subreddit because it showed India in good light. This is just one instance, there are lots of big subreddits out there having the tag of being an Official subreddit which are nothing more than propaganda machines.

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Post by masklinn »

tommek4077 wrote: post #184
shadowgovt wrote: post #64

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Mostly that yet another online community is shocked to learn that they thought they were living in a house they'd invested their own sweat equity into building when the whole time, they were really living in a shantytown parked in a spare corner of some corporation's city. If it ain't your computer (and if no money even changed hands), it ain't your property.

It always sounds strange when someone is talking about a "server" after creating a chat channel on a glorified IRC-fork.

TBF server is what discord calls it. And a discord server can contain a multitude of channels with fairly extensive individual customisation.

So it goes quite a bit further than “a chat channel”.

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by mistermann »

wsb_mod wrote: post #25

Unbelievable behavior from SD. The subreddit is currently an unmoderated mess, illustrating they have no clue how to run the community. I am unsurprised at Discord's behavior, handing over a server like that. They have essentially been hostile when not silent to us at WSB with our 600K user server. Reddit has an opportunity to do better here. Hand back control of r/StableDiffusion back to OP. Steve Huffman alluded to…

Reddit management may sometimes have to accept marching orders from a higher power - geopolitically, AI is strategically very important as we've seen in various news stories over the last month or so, and being in control of narratives is plain old common sense if you ask me.
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