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Chess Investigation Finds U.S. Grandmaster ‘Likely Cheated’ More Than 100 Times

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Re: Chess Investigation Finds U.S. Grandmaster ‘Likely Cheated’ More Than 100 Times

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here's an analysis someone did of Niemann's record in in-person games where the board positions were broadcasted to the internet vs games where they weren't (making it harder to cheat): https://talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?t=80630&start=100...

Re: Chess Investigation Finds U.S. Grandmaster ‘Likely Cheated’ More Than 100 Times

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This is why I constantly cheated in school. I got caught once and the penalty was a 0 on the test and a talking to. And only because I was a cheating noob. The benefits were in the thousands and thousands of scholarship dollars. I cheat now in my employment. I work three full time jobs remotely and do the bare minimum in each. The risk is getting fired (and if I only get fired from two of the jobs, I am still ahead o…

Selling your labor to multiple buyers and delivering acceptable work is not cheating.

My employers would have a huge problem with the code review rubber stamping and and complete lack of refactoring from me to achieve that.

Re: Chess Investigation Finds U.S. Grandmaster ‘Likely Cheated’ More Than 100 Times

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> “Outside his online play, Hans is the fastest rising top player in Classical [over-the-board] chess in modern history,” the report says, while comparing his progress to the game’s brightest rising stars. “Looking purely at rating, Hans should be classified as a member of this group of top young players. While we don’t doubt that Hans is a talented player, we note that his results are statistically extraordinary.” I…

unlike Carlsen to put someone in an indefensible position

Re: Chess Investigation Finds U.S. Grandmaster ‘Likely Cheated’ More Than 100 Times

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Selling your labor to multiple buyers and delivering acceptable work is not cheating.

Technically, they might sue you if you represent that you are working exclusively for them, which is a clause in most of these contracts. Still, not illegal.

> Technically, they might sue you if you represent that you are working exclusively for them

Is there any point in suing when there’s no damages?

Re: Chess Investigation Finds U.S. Grandmaster ‘Likely Cheated’ More Than 100 Times

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Citation: Pete Rose, Sammy Sosa, Mark McGwire, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, and Curt Schilling will never get in the Hall of Fame. You're right that that's not "basically done," but once they're retired, HoF is all they have to look forward to. Being officially in disgrace is pretty done.

Yet I can cite hundreds of cases of cheating in all the major sports in which, yes, there was a suspension or other penalty, but the players or people involved were then allowed to participate again. The examples you cited are very extreme, but even in these cases, they don't support your argument. None of those players were removed from the game during their playing careers and barred. And again, those are just the…

If you read what I said, I didn't claim PED violators are removed from the sport. I said that being denied HoF is not just a slap on the wrist.

If you're not someone who'd be considered HoF material anyway, then the consequences are probably manageable.

Re: Chess Investigation Finds U.S. Grandmaster ‘Likely Cheated’ More Than 100 Times

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Keep this in mind(!) Magnus Carlsen is a majority shareholder in chess.com.

Not a majority shareholder, majority would be 50%+. He holds around 20% if I recall correctly. It's still a large portion, but it was outlined specifically in the article that he was not included in this investigation and didn't influence it.

Re: Chess Investigation Finds U.S. Grandmaster ‘Likely Cheated’ More Than 100 Times

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post #42

The fact that an athlete in a competitive sport was allowed to partake in an event even after admitting to cheating not only once, but twice, is outrageous in itself.

Right? I completely didn't understand this part? In pretty much everything else, you cheat, you're basically done.

I can see both sides. If you have to cheat, that is your personal flaw and you have many other options in life where that behavior doesn’t matter.

Especially since there are many others who don’t cheat that can take your place in a competition.

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