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It can be anyone. Could even be a private person. But yeah its definitely not Russia.
There is nothing ever “definitely” about Russia. It could be as simple as “look what we can do”.
Objective reality does exist.
Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day
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"Do you know US soldiers have literal plates as body armor ? it's even ceramic plates, just like the one you eat from. AHA how dumb can they be, ceramic armor aha " That's how you sound right now
> it's even ceramic plates Ceramic armour resists bullets. Cardboard doesn’t block or deflect threats to tanks in any form. (It’s not even suitable for collision mitigation.)
> Ceramic armour resists bullets.
Why do my plates shatter when I drop them then ?! if they can't withstand my floor how could they possibly deflect bullets ?!
> Cardboard doesn’t block or deflect threats to tanks in any form
Well then good thing there is no cardboard in their tanks. You really take a random pic from twitter as the absolute truth even though you were presented alternatives ?
Maybe another twitter post might help you then: https://twitter.com/russian_defence/status/91989519933319168...
It might be outdated, it might be shitty compared to western version, it's not cardboard and it is supposed to be like that.
But ok let's all dial down our IQ to 56 and pretend Oligarchs sold egg cartons to their army to pay their yacht, that's a nicer story to tell on TV news. "aha look at them funny corrupt russians and their egg cartons, russia dumb"
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#203Earlier quoted context omitted.
But there have been zero indications that Germany is interested in any such deal. Germany is fine with buying gas from Russia for euros, but they have displayed zero interest in offering anything else in payment. If Germany made such a deal I see mass protests and lets of criticism from the rest of the EU which would lose them tons of political clout within Europe. And for what? I do not think it would be worth it fo…
Wait until it gets cold and peoples resolves actually get tested. Those protests would turn into people begging to turn the gas on. If you don’t live in a place that actually has winter, you just won’t understand. I lived all summer without a/c, it was fine with the occasional cold shower. But no heat is absolutely miserable and deadly in a real winter.
Most mainland European gas reserves are full, there will be no freezing in Europe this winter.
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#204> before Moscow sent its troops into Ukraine on Feb. 24. Do we really need to smooth "Russia invaded Ukraine on Feb. 24"?
Don't read too much into that. You're thinking more about that phrasing than the author probably did.
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#205On related note we had this Sunday evening power outage in big part of Prague, lasting around half an hour (second one in less than 4 months, previous lasted around 40 minutes and was due to some power station equipment failure, some gas insulation or something).
Funniest thing is the cause for this Sunday outage - power company spokesman said it was caused by (NOT hot air) balloon crashing into powerlines!
So never underestimate coincidence (Bulgarian lottery) and/or incompetence, though it was most likely Americans, if we are serious.
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#206Who would benefit from this?
Isn't that obvious? It's to strengthen Germany's resolve. The temptation to surrender and get the gas turned back on is going to be enormous this coming winter. Germany and several other countries have made plans to shut down parts of heavy industry to save gas for heating. This is more than likely to put increasing pressure on governments to give in to Russia's demands. Now they can't, even if they want to, so that…
This is not correct. Nordstream II is fully functional and can carry far more gas.
This "accident" allows Russia to turn up the pressure on Germany without formally exiting it's contract. It creates plausible deniability for when they pressure Germany to pressure Ukraine to accept a ceasefire.
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Putin, because he gets an excuse to cut Germany off of Russian gas. It's game of chicken now: the West sends weapons to help Ukrainian army chase off all the Russian invaders, and Putin tries to make energy crisis in EU so severe that Europe is forced to negotiate with him, and accept Russian conquest of parts of the Ukraine. Whoever can stay on their course longer wins.
I have seen this line of thinking multiple places. It doesn't make any sense. Russia makes the energy crisis by turning off the gas. Destruction of the nordstream line only makes it impossible to start the gas exporting in case Russia want to sell it again and/or the sanctions are lifted. The obvious result of this is making sure that trade relationships with Russia can't go back to normal anytime soon.
Nordstream 2 is fully functional and can be turned on at any time. ...and it carries far more capacity.
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Well clear winner of current sitaution is US, clear loser is Europe/EU and Russia is somewhere in between, but they can sell their gas elsewhere, so what would be point sabotaging own business (though it could be false flag attack).
No, the winner here is clearly Russia. They wanted to cut the line to pressure the EU into pressuring Ukraine to agree to a ceasefire along existing battle lines. Cutting production through an "accident" allows them plausible deniability to cut Europe's gas supplies without formally violating the contract and for restoration negotiations if the Ukraine question is settled.
They can still supply gas through the Ukraine/POland pipeline (Yamal/Brotherhood).
And I don't think cutting these pipelines changes really anything, they were hardly delivering anything at all, so just destroying pipelines won't really help them plus even if EU caved they can't supply gas because the pipeline is damaged, if they were really relying on nord stream.
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#209>The Russian submarine that caught fire and killed 14 may have been designed to cut undersea internet cables >"The Russians talk about these ships in this program doing bathymetric research and deep-ocean research, meaning they do stuff on the sea floor," Bryan Clark, a former US Navy officer and a submarine warfare expert, told Business Insider. "If they are doing research on the sea floor with a military submarine,…
The motive here is obvious. It is to stop any remaining gas shipments from Russia to Germany without formally violating their contracts and providing plausible deniability for future restoration negotiations using the newer Nordstream 2 pipeline which has much larger capacity anyway. Germany has struggled to store enough gas storage for winter. They have told the public they have enough, however those estimates assum…
> Germany has struggled to store enough gas storage for winter. They have told the public they have enough, however those estimates assumed a continued flow along the Nordstream 1 pipeline.
This isn't true based on what I've read in German and Swedish news. Storage was filling ahead of usual schedule, already having enough to sustain through the winter. What we haven't got, in my understanding, is any buffer room whatsoever. What's your source that knows better than public service news here?
Edit: Here's a Bloomberg article about how you're wrong: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-27/europe-is...
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I strongly disagree. People in Germany couldn't care less about Ukraine because it is far away. Most assume that Putin will win this war anyways. However, they care strongly about cheap Gas because it directly influences their lives.
70% of Germans favor continuing support for Ukraine even if that causes high energy prices ( https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/politbarometer-union-... ). This value is practically unchanged for months.
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