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Post by solomonb »

sinenomine wrote: post #185
munificent wrote: post #128

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> I have nothing but respect for the talent it takes to create something that is valuable on its own (contrast with modern art, not valuable without of the context of its social network) All art is only valuable within the context of its social network. If you leave the Mona Lisa in the woods, the only real "value" it will hold is as a shelter for bugs. I think what really bothers you here is about which social netwo…

> Contemporary art, the kind of stuff people here on HN hate, is different. Let's notice the elephant in the room: HN commentariat is a biased sample with an obvious overrepresentation of autistic people. I'm likely not too much ahead of the curve here, as you can see. I hope this pretext will add to your charitable interpretation of what I have to say. As they say "autism speaks, it's time to listen". Consider this…

I'm happy for you finding resonance in art produced via stable diffusion and friends.

However I must reject your claim that your experience of Autism gifts you with some sort of objective view of the world, art and aesthetics that allows you to judge all contemporary art as 'trash.'

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Post by throwaway_l33t »

solomonb wrote: post #201
sinenomine wrote: post #185

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> Contemporary art, the kind of stuff people here on HN hate, is different. Let's notice the elephant in the room: HN commentariat is a biased sample with an obvious overrepresentation of autistic people. I'm likely not too much ahead of the curve here, as you can see. I hope this pretext will add to your charitable interpretation of what I have to say. As they say "autism speaks, it's time to listen". Consider this…

I'm happy for you finding resonance in art produced via stable diffusion and friends. However I must reject your claim that your experience of Autism gifts you with some sort of objective view of the world, art and aesthetics that allows you to judge all contemporary art as 'trash.'

Contemporary art always has felt to me like an “the emperor has no clothes” enterprise. It’s appreciated and valued because this marks you as not part of some out-group.

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Post by trention »

echelon wrote: post #160
sinenomine wrote: post #97

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Trash, but trash minted through an entrenched network of art curators, directors and connoisseurs - this is what makes trashy modern art scarce and valuable, not to mention the tax breaks! What I and some insiders consider the real art - that is, applying rare well-developed talent to production of unapologetically high-quality sensual artifacts of art - is mostly commercialized by now, with best people employed by t…

Literally none of the existing world matters anymore. Period. We're watching the Third Industrial Revolution unfold live and in front of our eyes, and it will only take a few short years to fully sweep into all aspects of society. Yes, Picasso and Banksy will continue to have value. But that's an infinitesimal sliver of the value that is about to be unleashed upon the economy. The real value is that startups like min…

>In about a year, I don't know why anyone would dare work for Google, Amazon, or any of the other legacy businesses. They're going to be swamped and struggle to stay afloat amid the biggest single act of the Innovator's Dilemma to ever happen in our history.

Well, at least your drug dealer is apparently supplying you with the good stuff. I'll bet 10k any day that the combined value of all companies purely in the generative space will not exceed the value of a single FAANG company in 5 years. Yes, including Netflix.

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Post by trention »

idontpost wrote: post #200
echelon wrote: post #180

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> You don't get it. It's easy to say that as someone on the outside without skin in the game, not working on this, not in the know. > That's worthless. A firehose of novelty is almost immediately no longer novel. And yet here you are on HN. I'll bet you have a Twitter and phone and consume social media, too. That's all just a poor man's version of what we'll be building. > Why would anyone want this? I have literally…

> And yet here you are on HN. I'll bet you have a Twitter and phone and consume social media, too. That's all just a poor man's version of what we'll be building. A better version of a net negative is still negative. Maybe I'm wrong, but it really sounds like more of what we've already proven isn't good. > It's easy to say that as someone on the outside without skin in the game, not working on this, not in the know.…

He is someone under the deluded impression that if he pitches his startup david koresh style in a hackernews thread, something will happen. I have new for this boyo - the moment you try to sell a service that emulates the catalog of {insert famous musician name here}, you are going to get sued to oblivion.

Re: The AI Unbundling

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Post by trention »

lacker wrote: post #55
time_to_smile wrote: post #22

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Same reason that self driving cars have plateaued. The things that are really important for that last mile are also really hard and we're not really sure how to get there. The output between all the major AI image synthesis tools, while impressive, is quite clearly very high dimensional interpolation, and it shares the same limitations in that space as it does the 2d space. We've already thrown insane amounts of data…

Same reason that self driving cars have plateaued. But they haven't plateaued. I can go take a trip in a self-driving Cruise in San Francisco right now. I couldn't do that last year. There's certainly a lot of room for them to improve, but the self-driving car industry is making progress.

It's making slow progress, much slower than expected 10 years ago, when in 2012 I was personally "promised" by a person with a start up in the field that I will be able to buy a L5 car in 5 years. That person is the equivalent of those promising me I will be able to generate a whole movie by a prompt by the end of this decade.

Not happening.

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Post by munificent »

throwaway_l33t wrote: post #202
solomonb wrote: post #201

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I'm happy for you finding resonance in art produced via stable diffusion and friends. However I must reject your claim that your experience of Autism gifts you with some sort of objective view of the world, art and aesthetics that allows you to judge all contemporary art as 'trash.'

Contemporary art always has felt to me like an “the emperor has no clothes” enterprise. It’s appreciated and valued because this marks you as not part of some out-group.

Almost all artifacts carry some amount of group membership signal. I think the more interesting question is whether an artifact carries anything in addition to that signal. And, while I agree that a lot of contemporary art leans way to heavily towards in-group signaling, I think it would be unfair to dismiss it entirely.

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Post by Reebz »

echelon wrote: post #156
idontpost wrote: post #117

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Why would I want that? Even if I like Taylor Swift, what would be the point?

Today you're a Taylor Swift fan and you want more of her music faster than she can deliver. Maybe you make it yourself and share with friends, and it goes viral. She might even get on stage and sing it. Tomorrow, you want more Taylor Swift and you tell the computer to give it to you. It delivers with no human intervention whatsoever. You love it, but want it a bit more country - so be it. Piano and acoustic. Got it.…

I think what you’re working on is genuinely intriguing. How will it work commercially once you gain popularity, do you pay Taylor Swift a royalty for using her voice likeness?
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